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Mahlem Sep 20, 2013 11:50 am

Average cost of ATW ticket F/C?
 
I am trying to round up my miles with American One WOrld by doing a Around The World F/C ticket, 5 continents by 31DEC. I was initially quoted $17,000, then 'Rate Desk' came back with $21,780.
I am going through sticker shock folks. Is this the going rate, average for First Class ATW?
Thanks for all input in advance!

Dave Noble Sep 20, 2013 2:21 pm

It depends on where you are planning to go ; there is not enough information to answer it

jerry a. laska Sep 20, 2013 2:24 pm


Originally Posted by Mahlem (Post 21476922)
I am trying to round up my miles with American One WOrld by doing a Around The World F/C ticket, 5 continents by 31DEC. I was initially quoted $17,000, then 'Rate Desk' came back with $21,780.
I am going through sticker shock folks. Is this the going rate, average for First Class ATW?
Thanks for all input in advance!

It depends upon the country where you start your journey. You can use expertflyer.com to price rtw tickets. For example, starting from the US - JFK:
AONE4 is $14899+taxes, surcharges, and etc
AONE5 is $17099+;
AONE6 is $19899+;
DONE4 is $10799+;
DONE5 is $12299+;
DONE6 is $14099.

JDiver Sep 20, 2013 2:45 pm

Given the issue being discussed, the oneworld Forum will likely elicit more information.

JDiver
senior moderator

pandaperth Sep 20, 2013 9:08 pm

Welcome to FT Mahlem

The Oneworld Explorer ticket has a base fare, which depends on:
  • Class of service (first, business or economy)
  • The number of continents (between 3 and 6)
  • The starting country
It appears you were first quoted the base fare for a first class, 5 continent fare starting in the USA (using jerry.a.laska’s numbers) – USD17,099
To the base fare must be added:
  • The various taxes for the countries you will be visiting (items such as the taxes for security inspections, customs, immigration and the like; plus some arbitrary taxes that some countries impose on arrivals or departures)
  • The airline surcharges – mainly fuel surcharges
It would appear that your particular itinerary has taxes and surcharges totalling $4,681 which certainly appears to be very excessive (21780 - 17099). $1,500 would be more typical.

Factors that could cause high taxes and surcharges are:
  • Flights on British Airways – it has very high fuel surcharges, especially when travelling in first class
  • Departing from the United Kingdom – it has a high arbitrary tax called APD (Air Passenger Duty)
Resources you can use to learn more are:
  • The oneworld web page on its Oneworld Explorer ticket
  • The on-line booking tool; you could plug in your planned itinerary and see a complete breakdown of the fare plus the taxes and surcharges

nux Sep 21, 2013 9:25 am

What do you mean by "trying to round up my miles on American oneworld"?

Mahlem Sep 21, 2013 10:28 pm

Hi folks, thanks for the replies.

I am just trying to 'round-up' my miles this year so I can get Exec Plat. The thought of spending $21K to do it seems a bit much, certainly on a ATW ticket F/C.
Just looking for advice as to wether this is too much to spend on a 5 continent ticket.

Thank you!

Dave Noble Sep 21, 2013 10:48 pm

Where is it that you have a wish/need to travel to

Compare the price of an ATW ticket vs cheapest premium cabin fares in general and against OW carriers and see how they compare

If, as it sounds, this is a trip just to get status, it sounds quite mad to me and no airline status is worth anywhere close to $21k imo

Dr. HFH Sep 22, 2013 5:29 am

If your main purpose is to get to EXP, probably much cheaper to do some domestic MRs. How many miles do you need?

Unterwegs Sep 22, 2013 5:39 am

These tickets are a good value if you otherwise would buy regular premium class tickets and need to visit several places. They are an even better value when you move your purchasing/staring point to a place where the tickets are cheaper.
They are not very attractive for a mileage run or for situations where you can find relatively inexpensive RTs.

JohnAx Sep 22, 2013 10:46 am

Business class earns the same re-qual benefits on AA as first, and besides being significantly cheaper there are more flights with international business class (i.e. beds of some sort) than first class.

If you have the interest, time (a month or two) and money an RTW in a premium cabin can be money well spent. Fun enough to be habit-forming. And the xONEx product can provide the most miles/qpoints per dollar since it's segment-based.

But the fare varies by starting location, in consideration of marketability to the population there and because of exchange rate fluctuation (in places where it's denominated in local currency.) We addicts (especially with families whose company we enjoy) tend to seek out the more affordable starting points. (To that fare, add the cost of getting there and back home at the end of the trip, since T&C for the RTW insist that you end up where you started. (With exceptions.))

If your RTW is to be a mad dash with nothing on your sightseeing list besides airport lounges and airplane interiors, there are cheaper ways to requal. The mileage-run forum is a good resource and includes a "good-deal premium-class fares" thread to get around the purists who think a mileage run can't cost more than five cents a mile. Alas, seldom are q-points mentioned there, nor segment runs. A year or so ago there were opportunities to accumulate 100 segments on AA for $5000 or less, dependent on inexpensive fares that allowed one or two connections.

Mwenenzi Sep 22, 2013 7:56 pm


Originally Posted by Mahlem (Post 21483629)
..I am just trying to 'round-up' my miles this year so I can get Exec Plat. The thought of spending $21K to do it seems a bit much, certainly on a ATW ticket F/C.
Just looking for advice as to wether this is too much to spend on a 5 continent ticket.

If you are looking at *ONE* tickets all are limited to 16 segments. So AONE3, AONE4 & AONE5 are all 16 segments at most. Also there are less first class routes now compared to say 5 years ago.

JohnAx Sep 23, 2013 9:07 am


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 21487546)
If you are looking at *ONE* tickets all are limited to 16 segments. So AONE3, AONE4 & AONE5 are all 16 segments at most. Also there are less first class routes now compared to say 5 years ago.

And open-jaws eat a segment, and afaik there are no co-terminals (glad to be corrected) so a not-unusual thing like arriving LHR, departing LGW poofs one more of the sixteen. (Someone please tell me there's a way around that...)

skunker Sep 23, 2013 4:56 pm


Originally Posted by JohnAx (Post 21489856)
And open-jaws eat a segment, and afaik there are no co-terminals (glad to be corrected) so a not-unusual thing like arriving LHR, departing LGW poofs one more of the sixteen. (Someone please tell me there's a way around that...)

No way around it that I have seen. The other big one is NRT/HND.

JohnAx Sep 23, 2013 9:03 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 21492740)
No way around it that I have seen. The other big one is NRT/HND.

The small ones will sneak up on anyone who thinks e.g. that LAX and ONT are co-terminals in xONEx-land.


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