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BrianG86 Sep 19, 2013 3:24 pm

Would you rather... (2 Routes to Phuket)
 
I am going from BWI - HKT and have 2 options I am trying to pick between.

Setup: I am an American Exec Plat who stopped traveling for business at midyear, and only have 49k miles flown this year.


Option 1: Fly AA all the way to NRT, then japan airlines to bkk, then dragon to HKT.

Pros: I get to cross pacific in business rather than coach.

Cons: $2400




Option 2: Fly AA from BWI to LAX, then Cathay on a 777 in coach to HKG and another cathay in coach to HKT.

Pros: More qualifying miles than option 1, being $800-900 less than the other option leaves me money for another trip this year (I have $2500 in vouchers to use...).

Cons: Very long flight in coach.




Option 3 - some amazing idea you have that I have not even considered yet...



What would you do? How are the Cathay 777's that do LAX-HKG in coach? Will my status get me into premium economy or am I out of luck?

Gamecock Sep 19, 2013 4:24 pm

I can't imagine flying TRANSPAC in coach. But I am a wimp.

PETEFLYS Sep 22, 2013 11:45 pm

Well I would forget about coach on CX or any airline going that distance. I figure you have upgrades since you mention flying J to NRT. Your problem is the fare. I would try pricing to ICN or to BKK. If you decide on BKK you can always fly Air Asia to Phuket.

Unterwegs Sep 23, 2013 2:20 am

I would not fly transpac in Eco, even on a relatively good airline like CX.
Here are some of the fares (without knowing your travel dates this might be off, but it gives you some idea) without taxes and other fines, first to HKT and then to BKK (often cheaper to buy a separate ticket from there)

[KVS Availability Tool 7.2.3/Diamond - Fares/PSH/RU]
Code:

BWI  Baltimore/Washington Thurgood Marshall MD US [KBWI]
HKT  Phuket Intl TH [VTSP]
R/T  05 Nov 2013 | Business

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur  AdvanceP  Min  Max  Fare Basis | Travel Period
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  ---  --------------------------
HU        BWI    HKT      2136  USD    60 Days      180  IA6M5US4    07 May-31 Dec
MH        BWI    HKT      2645  USD        ***        90  ZBT3MUS      07 May-31 Dec
CI        BWI    HKT      2782  USD        ***      360  BC1YE        07 May-31 Dec
HU        BWI    HKT      2848  USD    14 Days      180  IA6M5US2    22 Oct-05 Nov
CI        BWI    HKT      2904  USD        ***      360  BC1Y        22 Oct-05 Nov
HU        BWI    HKT      3713  USD    30 Days      180  IAP6MUS4    01 Nov-31 Dec
HU        BWI    HKT      4120  USD    21 Days      180  IAP6MUS3    01 Nov-31 Dec
HU        BWI    HKT      4425  USD    14 Days      180  IAP6MUS2    01 Nov-31 Dec
HU        BWI    HKT      4679  USD    7 Days      180  IL6M5US1    01 Oct-29 Nov
HU        BWI    HKT      4730  USD    7 Days      180  IAP6MUS1    01 Nov-31 Dec
CA        BWI    HKT      4913  USD        ***    3  90  ZSPLAS7      01 Nov-31 Dec
OZ        BWI    HKT      5096  USD        ***            YOXUG        01 Nov-31 Dec
HU        BWI    HKT      5137  USD        ***      180  IPR6MUS      01 Jan-31 Dec
MU        BWI    HKT      5147  USD        ***      180  I6MNBZ      01 Jan-31 Dec
JL        BWI    HKT      5282  USD    50 Days    7  360  XZX5LA7Y    01 Jan-31 Dec
MH        BWI    HKT      5368  USD        ***      180  DBZ6MUS      01 Jan-31 Dec
HU        BWI    HKT      5391  USD        ***      180  IL6M5US      01 Oct-29 Nov
OZ        BWI    HKT      5402  USD        ***            YOWUG        01 Oct-29 Nov
AA        BWI    HKT      5444  USD    50 Days    3  360  I1X5F4B1    01 Oct-29 Nov
HU        BWI    HKT      5747  USD    14 Days      360  DAPRTUS2    20 Aug-31 Dec
UA        BWI    HKT      5831  USD    50 Days  10  360  ZFXG1NMD    20 Aug-31 Dec
JL        BWI    HKT      5892  USD    50 Days    7  360  XZW5LA7Y    20 Aug-31 Dec
HU        BWI    HKT      6002  USD    14 Days            DART5US2    15 Mar-31 Dec
AA        BWI    HKT      6055  USD    50 Days    3  360  I1Y5F4B1    15 Mar-31 Dec



[KVS Availability Tool 7.2.3/Diamond - Fares/PSH/RU]
Code:

BWI  Baltimore/Washington Thurgood Marshall MD US [KBWI]
BKK  Bangkok Metro / Suvarnabhumi Intl TH = BKK DMK [VTBS]
R/T  05 Nov 2013 | Business

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur  AdvanceP  Min  Max  Fare Basis | Travel Period
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  ---  --------------------------
HU        BWI    BKK      2136  USD    60 Days      180  IA6M5US4    07 May-31 Dec
MH        BWI    BKK      2136  USD        ***        90  ZBT3MUS      07 May-31 Dec
CI        BWI    BKK      2675  USD        ***      360  BC1YE        07 May-31 Dec
CI        BWI    BKK      2797  USD        ***      360  BC1Y        07 May-31 Dec
HU        BWI    BKK      2848  USD    14 Days      180  IA6M5US2    22 Oct-05 Nov
CA        BWI    BKK      3560  USD    7 Days            JXAP7        22 Oct-05 Nov
HU        BWI    BKK      3713  USD    30 Days      180  IAP6MUS4    01 Nov-31 Dec
CA        BWI    BKK      3764  USD    7 Days            JSAP7        01 Nov-31 Dec
CA        BWI    BKK      3764  USD    7 Days            JWAP7        01 Nov-31 Dec
CA        BWI    BKK      3967  USD        ***            JXR          01 Nov-31 Dec
PR        BWI    BKK      3988  USD        ***      180  IL3BCXU      21 Jul-05 Dec
HU        BWI    BKK      4120  USD    21 Days      180  IAP6MUS3    01 Nov-31 Dec
CA        BWI    BKK      4171  USD        ***            JSR          01 Nov-31 Dec
CA        BWI    BKK      4171  USD        ***            JWR          01 Nov-31 Dec
AY        BWI    BKK      4222  USD        ***            IFLEX2US    01 Nov-31 Dec
RJ        BWI    BKK      4303  USD        ***    7  120  DEERTUS2    01 Nov-31 Dec
HU        BWI    BKK      4425  USD    14 Days      180  IAP6MUS2    01 Nov-31 Dec
OZ        BWI    BKK      4588  USD        ***            YOXUG        01 Nov-31 Dec
HU        BWI    BKK      4679  USD    7 Days      180  IL6M5US1    01 Oct-29 Nov
HU        BWI    BKK      4730  USD    7 Days      180  IAP6MUS1    01 Nov-31 Dec
EK        BWI    BKK      4848  USD    50 Days    7  360  IX50US1      01 Nov-31 Dec
JL        BWI    BKK      4875  USD    50 Days    7  360  XZX5LA7Y    01 Nov-31 Dec
OZ        BWI    BKK      4893  USD        ***            YOWUG        01 Nov-31 Dec
CA        BWI    BKK      4913  USD        ***    3  90  ZSPLAS7      01 Nov-31 Dec
CA        BWI    BKK      5015  USD        ***            ZRBU        01 Nov-31 Dec


Paiteaw Sep 27, 2013 3:11 pm

Given the choices presented, I would not be opting for one involving a coach flight across the Pacific. I've done it many times but now have no desire experience it again.

DeltaFlyingProf Sep 27, 2013 5:29 pm

Trouble is the OP's credit on AA may not be usable with the listed fares.

OP, are you sure the CX fare would give you qualifying miles? CX has an AWFUL long list on class buckets that yield .... nada.

im.daniel Oct 8, 2013 3:06 am

I'd personally take the hit in Y and use the saved money on another trip/at the destination. 12 hours isn't that bad ;)

savitar Oct 8, 2013 9:22 am


Originally Posted by im.daniel (Post 21572217)
I'd personally take the hit in Y and use the saved money on another trip/at the destination. 12 hours isn't that bad ;)

I am with you.....take the $800 and buy yourself the latest Ipad to entertain yourself on the journey....then you get the keep the Ipad... :)

As you have AA Exec plat you can choose the best seats and might be able to get exit / bulk head which is really not that bad in Y. Middle seat in Y, sure...but as exec plat you should be able to get a good seat.

nkedel Oct 10, 2013 11:50 pm


Originally Posted by BrianG86 (Post 21472704)
Option 1: Fly AA all the way to NRT, then japan airlines to bkk, then dragon to HKT.

What aircraft is the NRT-BKK leg? The NRT-BKK leg is 7 hours, and if it's the JL 763, those things are MISERABLE... make the AA 767s look nice, the seats have super-wide armrests so unless you have a narrow tush, they are very tight, and the pitch is tight as well (SeatGuru lists 34" pitch, which isn't awful, but does not match my experience.)

(I'd also consider using AirAsia or Tiger for Bangkok (DMK, the old airport, probably) to HKT, and only ticketing as far as BKK on the major.)

What about saving money and doing AA coach? 31ABHJ are really, really good seats if you can snag one on one of the days you're going.


Option 2: Fly AA from BWI to LAX, then Cathay on a 777 in coach to HKG and another cathay in coach to HKT.
What about paid Premium Economy on CX? Likely cheaper than 1, pricier than 2, and intermediate in comfort, but fewer connections than 1 and miuch nicer on the short-haul leg. If the fares are good, of course -- if not it might be pricier than 1, and not worth considering.


What would you do? How are the Cathay 777's that do LAX-HKG in coach?
All on the new seats, AFAICT, and a fairly comfortable 3-3-3. Status WILL get you into the extended legroom (bulkhead/exit) seats for free, although as of my last CX flight you will need to phone to get those seats.


Will my status get me into premium economy or am I out of luck?
Only if regular coach fills up; I've gotten more op-ups on CX than I have on AA, and I'm a mere PLT, but it's pretty rare.


Originally Posted by Gamecock (Post 21472956)
I can't imagine flying TRANSPAC in coach. But I am a wimp.


Originally Posted by Unterwegs (Post 21488540)
I would not fly transpac in Eco, even on a relatively good airline like CX.


Originally Posted by Paiteaw (Post 21516233)
Given the choices presented, I would not be opting for one involving a coach flight across the Pacific. I've done it many times but now have no desire experience it again.

Wimps. :) I've done it at least once and usually 2-4x a year most years for the past ten years, and it's not that bad. Honestly, the awfulness of the long-arse 767 leg from NRT kills a lot of the goodness of business class on the leg to Tokyo.


Originally Posted by im.daniel (Post 21572217)
I'd personally take the hit in Y and use the saved money on another trip/at the destination. 12 hours isn't that bad ;)

Ditto.

Paiteaw Oct 13, 2013 7:08 pm

Transpacs from the East coast are considerably longer than from sittin on the dock of the Bay !

nkedel Oct 13, 2013 9:57 pm


Originally Posted by Paiteaw (Post 21602527)
Transpacs from the East coast are considerably longer than from sittin on the dock of the Bay !

...and routing through the mid-West or the East coast are good ways to maximize your miles when coming from the West coast. BTDT many times through ORD/DFW, a few through JFK.

There isn't a good connection from BKK-NRT-LAX*, so since they ended SJC<->NRT... I've done the NRT-(ORD/DFW) leg more often to LAX coming back.**

Honestly, once I'm in on 10 hours+ plus flight, extra time doesn't seem to matter to me; I just up my medication dosage and sleep.

(* AA170 is too early for the morning flights BKK-NRT, and is one wicked long wait at the airport if you're leaving BKK the night before.)
(** before I got Global Entry, it also didn't hurt that the Immigrations and Customs guys in LAX tend to be particularly nasty to deal with.)


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