|
Extremely difficult situation - please advise!
My parents (in the US) purchased a non-refundable ticket for a 4-month trip from a travel agent. I'm pretty sure it's a oneworld reservation (includes AA, BA, IB, etc). The price, connections, and flight times were excellent. One of the destinations is Saudi Arabia, and it is the only destination for which they need a visa. They applied for the Saudi visa with the understanding that they'll get two-month validity and one month stay. Their current itinerary places them in SA on July 16 flying in from London. However, on June 10, the Saudi embassy stamped the passports with only one-month validity (probably due to a change in policy that took effect after the passports were submitted). Obviously, this necessitated that they change their London-Jeddah flight with BA from July 16 to July 10 or earlier. Likewise, the exit flight from SA will also need to be changed to make sure they don't overstay.
We received the passports three days before the trip and started scrambling to make the changes. The TA offered an alternative itinerary with totally different flights (much worse of course) and asked for $800 per person (claiming it was all for the airline). AA, on the other hand, had us on the phone for a couple of hours, and came out with nothing for London-Jeddah (they looked from Jul 1 - 10). Finally, they offered us a connection flight for which they asked $3000/person which of course we declined. We tried to work with the TA to find a more reasonable alternative, but he said he can't find anything better than the $800/person. We asked why he couldn't just change the affected segments, and he said that he cannot change the itinerary within 7 days of travel except by changing all the flights. He said our best chance was to travel to London and talk to BA about finding a reasonable alternative. He also said that if they start their trip, he will not be able to help them in any way with the current itinerary. This morning, my parents commenced their trip to London. We're distressed as we don't know how to solve this issue or what options are even available. We're also not very trusting of the TA at this point. Please share your general advice and (if you can) specifically touch on the following issues: 1) Is the TA correct in claiming that he cannot change the current reservation after the commencement of the trip? 2) What about his claimed inability to change the reservation within 7 days of the flight except by changing all the segments? 3) What is the best way to approach the airline in London? Office or airport counter? 4) Who should they go to: BA, AA, both? 5) What other options do they have at this point? 6) If they cannot find a reasonable trip to SA, and decide to return home (US), will they lose the rest of the segments or is there a way to postpone the remaining part of the trip? Sorry, I know I'm asking for an essay here, but our situation is quite desperate and we need guidance/clarification. Thank you. |
I wonder if they can simply go to the saudi embassy in london and correct the dates. If they can I imagine that would be the easiest solution.
|
Now that the journey has commenced, then the passenger should be able to contact the airline for assistance
The issues are Does the fare allow changes? If yes - What are the change fees? Is there availability If no Then could be very problematic The travel agent should be able to provide information about the fare rules. Being ex USA, it is likely that it allows changes but that the fee would be $250+ per person |
Originally Posted by flyerwanabe1
(Post 20965240)
I wonder if they can simply go to the saudi embassy in london and correct the dates. If they can I imagine that would be the easiest solution.
|
Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 20965674)
Now that the journey has commenced, then the passenger should be able to contact the airline for assistance
The issues are Does the fare allow changes? If yes - What are the change fees? Is there availability If no Then could be very problematic The travel agent should be able to provide information about the fare rules. Being ex USA, it is likely that it allows changes but that the fee would be $250+ per person |
Would also be investigating Saudi embassies in other countries.
|
Do you have the fare code?
What booking class? Business? First? Economy? |
Originally Posted by serfty
(Post 20977329)
Do you have the fare code?
Originally Posted by serfty
(Post 20977329)
What booking class? Business? First? Economy?
They've been in London for two days now. They've talked to both AA and BA, but haven't found anything yet. They say there is no availability from now until July 10. |
I asked the TA for the fare rules, and he sent me this:
PENALTIES CANCELLATIONS ANY TIME TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE IN CASE OF CANCEL/NO-SHOW/ REFUND. WAIVED FOR SCHEDULE CHANGE/DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - WAIVER ALSO APPLIES FOR TRAVELING COMPANION. ------- FOR TRAVEL AGENCY BOOKINGS MADE IN MEXICO / THE CARIBBEAN / CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA - AA WILL ASSESS A USD 25.00 FEE ON ANY UNTICKETED RESERVATION NOT CANCELLED BEFORE DEPARTURE. -------- THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE. -------- WHEN COMBINING FARES THAT HAVE CANCELLATION FEES THE HIGHEST CANCELLATION FEE OF EACH CANCELLED PRICING UNIT APPLES. -------- THE FARE HAS NO VALUE UNLESS TICKETED FLIGHTS ARE CANCELLED PRIOR TO TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME. CHANGES BEFORE DEPARTURE CHARGE USD 275.00. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. WAIVED FOR SCHEDULE CHANGE/DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - WAIVER ALSO APPLIES FOR TRAVELING COMPANION. ----- THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION AND PERSON. A CHANGE IS A ROUTING / OR DATE / OR FLIGHT / OR FARE MODIFICATION. CHANGE IS PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY OF ORIGINAL TICKET. THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE. -------------------------------------------------- WHERE THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE AND ONLY ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE PENALTY CONDITIONS OF THE CHANGED FARE COMPONENT WILL APPLY. WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS BEING CHANGED THE HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS WILL APPLY. -------------------------------------------------- PAGE 3/ 8 IF THE ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED -AND- THE CHANGE FEE WILL BE APPLIED. -------------------------------------------------- WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE THE CHANGE FEE WILL BE APPLIED -AND- NO REFUND WILL BE MADE HOWEVER THE DIFFERENCE IN FARE WILL BE RETURNED TO THE PASSENGER IN THE FORM OF A NON-REFUNDABLE TRAVEL VOUCHER WICH MAY BE APPLIED TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF A TICKET VALID FOR TRANSPORTATION GOVERNED BY AA ONLY. -------------------------------------------------- REISSUE/REVALIDATION MUST BE MADE AT THE SAME TIME THE RESERVATION IS CHANGED. -------------------------------------------------- IF PASSENGER CANCELS TICKETED FLIGHT RESERVATION PRIOR TO TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME/TRAVEL THAT IS REBOOKED IS VALID AS FOLLOWS. 1/WHOLLY UNUSED TICKETS ARE VALID PROVIDED TRAVEL COMMENCES WITHIN ONE YEAR FROM THE ORIGINAL TICKET ISSUE DATE OR 2/PARTIALLY USED TICKETS ARE VALID PROVIDED TRAVEL IS COMPLETED WITHIN ONE YEAR FROM THE OUTBOUND TRAVEL DATE ON THE ORIGINAL TICKET. IF TICKETED FLIGHT IS NOT CANCELLED PRIOR TO TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME TICKET HAS NO VALUE. -------------------------------------------------- CALCULATION FOR REISSUES //CHANGES BEFORE OUTBOUND DEPARTURE// WHEN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED. ----- WHEN THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT BUT OTHER FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF TICKET REISSUE WHICHEVER IS LOWER. -------------------------------------------------- THE NEW ITINERARY MUST MEET ALL RULE PROVISIONS OF THE NEWLY TICKETED FARE - I.E. ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING DEADLINE/MINIMUM/MAXIMUM STAY/BOOKING CLASS/SEASONALITY ETC. AFTER DEPARTURE CHARGE USD 275.00. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. WAIVED FOR SCHEDULE CHANGE/DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - WAIVER ALSO APPLIES FOR TRAVELING COMPANION. ----- THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION AND PERSON. A CHANGE IS A ROUTING / OR DATE / OR FLIGHT / OR FARE MODIFICATION. CHANGE IS PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY OF ORIGINAL TICKET. THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE. -------------------------------------------------- WHERE THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE AND ONLY ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE PENALTY CONDITIONS OF THE CHANGED FARE COMPONENT WILL PAGE 6/ 8 APPLY. WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS BEING CHANGED THE HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS WILL APPLY. -------------------------------------------------- IF THE ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED -AND- THE CHANGE FEE WILL BE APPLIED. -------------------------------------------------- WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE THE CHANGE FEE WILL BE APPLIED -AND- NO REFUND WILL BE MADE HOWEVER THE DIFFERENCE IN FARE WILL BE RETURNED TO THE PASSENGER IN THE FORM OF A NON-REFUNDABLE TRAVEL VOUCHER WHICH MAY BE APPLIED TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF A TICKET VALID FOR TRANSPORTATION GOVERNED BY AA ONLY. -------------------------------------------------- REISSUE/REVALIDATION MUST BE MADE AT THE SAME TIME THE RESERVATION IS CHANGED. -------------------------------------------------- IF PASSENGER CANCELS TICKETED FLIGHT RESERVATION PAGE 7/ 8 PRIOR TO TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME/TRAVEL THAT IS REBOOKED IS VALID AS FOLLOWS. 1/WHOLLY UNUSED TICKETS ARE VALID PROVIDED TRAVEL COMMENCES WITHIN ONE YEAR FROM THE ORIGINAL TICKET ISSUE DATE OR 2/PARTIALLY USED TICKETS ARE VALID PROVIDED TRAVEL IS COMPLETED WITHIN ONE YEAR FROM THE OUTBOUND TRAVEL DATE ON THE ORIGINAL TICKET. IF TICKETED FLIGHT IS NOT CANCELLED PRIOR TO TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME TICKET HAS NO VALUE. -------------------------------------------------- CALCULATION FOR REISSUES //CHANGES AFTER DEPARTURE// THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE. -------------------------------------------------- THE NEW ITINERARY MUST MEET ALL RULE PROVISIONS OF THE NEWLY TICKETED FARE - I.E. ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING DEADLINE/MINIMUM/MAXIMUM STAY/BOOKING CLASS/SEASONALITY ETC. PRIOR TO TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME/TRAVEL THAT IS REBOOKED IS VALID AS FOLLOWS. 1/WHOLLY UNUSED TICKETS ARE VALID PROVIDED TRAVEL COMMENCES WITHIN ONE YEAR FROM THE ORIGINAL TICKET ISSUE DATE OR 2/PARTIALLY USED TICKETS ARE VALID PROVIDED TRAVEL IS COMPLETED WITHIN ONE YEAR FROM THE OUTBOUND TRAVEL DATE ON THE ORIGINAL TICKET. IF TICKETED FLIGHT IS NOT CANCELLED PRIOR TO TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME TICKET HAS NO VALUE. -------------------------------------------------- CALCULATION FOR REISSUES //CHANGES AFTER DEPARTURE// THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE. -------------------------------------------------- THE NEW ITINERARY MUST MEET ALL RULE PROVISIONS OF THE NEWLY TICKETED FARE - I.E. ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING DEADLINE/MINIMUM/MAXIMUM STAY/BOOKING CLASS/SEASONALITY ETC. NO MORE PAGE AVAILABLE |
Originally Posted by geeljire
(Post 20978543)
NHE7F1R1 (class N)
Economy. In fact, from what I understand, it is a deep discount fare which is the most restrictive. They've been in London for two days now. They've talked to both AA and BA, but haven't found anything yet. They say there is no availability from now until July 10. Is there some event/holiday on around that time? BA133 LHR-JED on 29th June has: 2x N class economy seats left from US point of sale. 2x K class (more expensive) economy seats left from UK point of sale Basically sold out in all classes from 30th June till 14th June except: 7th June 2x premium economy seats left 10th June shows 1x premium economy seat left 11th June 3x premium economy seats left (2x in cheapest fare type of T) 14th June 5x full fare economy available 15th June onwards starts to show a fair bit of availability So the problem is not just the fare conditions (although the change fee will apply), but that there is practically no availability for flights LHR-JED, and the limited availability is in very high (expensive) fare buckets. You can search on BA.com for flights LHR-JED and see this as well. |
1. The starting point is getting the visa fixed, if possible. Not sure why that wasn't attempted originally. OP says that it was "probably" caused by a policy change, but this suggests that OP doesn't know for certain. For $1,600, I would certainly be on the horn to the Consulate to determine whether this is fixable.
2. Presuming that it is not fixable, by the terms of OP's own email cut & paste of the fare rules, the change fee is $275 and there is an additional $25 TA fee. I have no idea what the fare difference is, but it's likely $500, leading to the $800 pp. cost. 3. I would not delay. The largest component of additional cost here is the change in air fare. That's likely to increase, not decrease over time as others purchase the cheaper seats. Thus, I would get this resolved sooner rather than later. As an aside for others, it's important to get visa issues straightened out before purchasing non-changeable tickets. |
Originally Posted by nux
(Post 20978600)
Availability on BA133 LHR-JED is extremely scarce for the next few weeks, no idea why. It is the only daily flight London to Jeddah on BA.
Is there some event/holiday on around that time? |
Thank you all for the replies and contributions.
With respect to checking with the embassy about changing the validity of the visa, we're working on that, but reaching the embassy is proving to be difficult. The TA (as mentioned before) is claiming he cannot make any changes at this point, after the trip has already commenced. I'm still somewhat skeptical of his "inability", but have not heard your experiences on TA's general change limitations. After 6/7 long calls with AA in both the US and UK, and a visit to the BA LHR counter, it is very clear that there are indeed no viable alternatives (the most inexpensive are $3000+). In fact, I found a RJ LHR-JED flight on July 9 that costs $750 online and told AA hoping that they'd accommodate us there since RJ is part of their alliance, but AA (after a long hold of course) asked for $4,000 to make the change! At this point, we're pondering just purchasing the RJ ticket online and cancelling the original segment. Do you guys foresee any issues with that in completing the trip? Might we have to pay to cancel or do we only pay if we decide to use it later? Of course, we'll ascertain the changeability of the visa dates first. |
Originally Posted by geeljire
(Post 20981032)
At this point, we're pondering just purchasing the RJ ticket online and cancelling the original segment. Do you guys foresee any issues with that in completing the trip? Might we have to pay to cancel or do we only pay if we decide to use it later? Of course, we'll ascertain the changeability of the visa dates first.
This change will result in a repricing and ticket reissue, but without know the full itinerary it's impossible to say how much, if anything, would be refunded. Lack of availability is indeed a consequence of the start of the holy month of Ramadan. Many Saudis will be returning home whilst westerners flee in the opposite direction :) hth |
On the visa issue, it's worth persevering with the embassy although you may find they will only deal with accredited consular agents, as is the case in London.
What type of visa do they have ? I'm assuming pilgrimage for Umrah ? It's worth confirming the precise definition of 'validity' and 'stay'. My business visas have a 'validity' of 180 days, for multiple entries with a 'maximum duration of stay' of 30 days. However, I have entered (Riyadh) on the 178th day and still been stamped in for 30 days. hth |
| All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:27 pm. |
This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.