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pandaperth Dec 31, 2010 1:23 am


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 15553777)
Could I do this instead?

CPT-JNB-HKG-SIN-MEL-SYD-MEL-BNE-MEL-SYD-JNB? I don't think so but I figured rather let me ask.

The short answer is 'Yes, but at an additional cost'

See rule 4H

You have 5 flight segments in the South West Pacific. You are allowed 4 free flight segments per continent, and can purchase up to two additional flight segments percontinent at the rates shown in the rules.

Since your 5th segment is MEL-SYD, and the cost of purchasing an additional economy segment is USD150 (USD400 for business) - it will be far cheaper for you to not buy this, and instead make you own way MEL-SYD on a separate ticket.

___________
An 'off the wall' idea if you are serious about maximising miles:
Shell out an extra ZAR4,500 and purchase the 4-continent circle trip; start it with CPT-LHR-MEL... :D

747-444 Dec 31, 2010 1:55 am

I very much appreciate all the feed back in here.

I just spoke to QF.

CPT-JNB-HKG-SIN-SYD-MEL-BNE-MEL-SYD-JNB is R47500.00 (give or take a bit) which includes all the fee's, taxes, surcharges etc.

JNB-SYD-MEL-SYD-JNB is R48003.00

So there is the answer.

og Jan 1, 2011 7:52 pm


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 15554093)
I very much appreciate all the feed back in here.

I just spoke to QF.

CPT-JNB-HKG-SIN-SYD-MEL-BNE-MEL-SYD-JNB is R47500.00 (give or take a bit) which includes all the fee's, taxes, surcharges etc.

JNB-SYD-MEL-SYD-JNB is R48003.00

So there is the answer.

Might be worth checking the LH Z class fare (Business). Not sure how it stacks up with a JNB origin though.

I recently did one SYD-SFO-FRA-JNB-SYD and it came in around AUD$6500 all up. Got me a stop over in each of these cities. My real target was JNB and it was a great way to top up my QF and UA points whilst coming in under anything OW could offer ;)

Kiwi Flyer Jan 3, 2011 11:57 pm


Originally Posted by og (Post 15563575)
Might be worth checking the LH Z class fare (Business). Not sure how it stacks up with a JNB origin though.

I recently did one SYD-SFO-FRA-JNB-SYD and it came in around AUD$6500 all up. Got me a stop over in each of these cities. My real target was JNB and it was a great way to top up my QF and UA points whilst coming in under anything OW could offer ;)

Those kind of fares are only available ex-Oz and NZ by virtue of being roughly halfway around the world from Europe and high levels of competition. Ex-JNB the circumstances are very different.

danger Jan 30, 2012 1:04 am


Originally Posted by 747-444 (Post 15549112)
Much appreciated.

I called QF to try and get a fare quotes for all the tax's and surcharges and the QF agent said they can only get that figure if they book a ticket, not issue one thou.

Is this correct?

I didn't think it was but QF just quoted me exactly that - DONE4 (oneworld Explorer four continents in Business) and DONEWC4 (oneworld Circle Trip Explorer four continents in Business) as identical in price.

What, then, is the go with the USD4167 ex-Manila on the excellent tool constructed by the AFF member whose name escapes me?

When I spoke with QF I was asking for the fares for the DONE4 and DONEWC4 ex-Manila. Is it possible the DONEWC4 ex-Manila fare is actually USD4167 (base) and that QF just quoted me the ex-Australia price?

Himeno Jan 30, 2012 1:37 am

The 3rd party downloadable tools/websites used data pulled from the oneworld website. That data has been removed. As such the information on those tools/websites are out of date. The only way to get current prices now are from the airline/TA or the base price from somewhere like EF or KVS.

current prices (before tax, USD)
DONE4/DONEWC4
ex-MNL 11346
ex-SYD 12629

An LONE4/LONEWC4 ex-MNL is 4167USD and DAS13 (Circle Asia 13000 mile limit) is 4385USD.

pandaperth Jan 30, 2012 1:39 am


Originally Posted by danger (Post 17913082)
I didn't think it was but QF just quoted me exactly that - DONE4 (oneworld Explorer four continents in Business) and DONEWC4 (oneworld Circle Trip Explorer four continents in Business) as identical in price.

What, then, is the go with the USD4167 ex-Manila on the excellent tool constructed by the AFF member whose name escapes me?

When I spoke with QF I was asking for the fares for the DONE4 and DONEWC4 ex-Manila. Is it possible the DONEWC4 ex-Manila fare is actually USD4167 (base) and that QF just quoted me the ex-Australia price?

In the fare rules of both these tickets (the xONEn and the xONEWCn) there is a clause regarding the fares to be charged, namely:

When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
(my bolding)
So if you ask Qantas, in Australia to quote you a fare ex-The Piliipines, you will be quoted the higher of the two fares (the Phillipines and the Australian fares). And the higher in both cases is the Australian fare.

For the DONE4 you can use the on-line tool to book and get the ex-Phillipines price
But there is no on-line tool for the DONEWC4 - so to get the ex-Phillipines price, you have to purchase though an agent there

danger Jan 30, 2012 2:04 am

Thank you both.

I thought I was on a winner with a cheap DONEWC4 but apparently not.

I did call CX first (being a carrier that services MNL). The agent insisted that there was no way she could give me the base (ex-taxes) fare without a valid itinerary first.

pandaperth Jan 30, 2012 2:36 am

Base business class Oneworld fares ex-MNL
[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.3/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]
Code:

MNL  Manila Ninoy Aquino Intl PH [RPLL]
RTW  01 Mar 2012 | 01 Oct 2012 | Business

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis/TD
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
CX        MNL    MNL    189766  PHP                      DAS13
CX        MNL    MNL    218111  PHP                      DAS17
CX        MNL    MNL    235984  PHP                      DCIR22
CX        MNL    MNL    287916  PHP                      DCIR26
CX        MNL    MNL    306784  PHP                      DCIR29SA
CX        MNL    MNL    491010  PHP                      DGLOB34
CX        MNL    MNL    430467  PHP                      DONE3
CX        MNL    MNL    491010  PHP                      DONE4
CX        MNL    MNL    528747  PHP                      DONE5
CX        MNL    MNL    584443  PHP                      DONE6
CX        MNL    MNL    430467  PHP                      DONEWC3
CX        MNL    MNL    491010  PHP                      DONEWC4


serfty Jan 30, 2012 3:13 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 17913160)
The 3rd party downloadable tools/websites used data pulled from the oneworld website. That data has been removed. As such the information on those tools/websites are out of date. The only way to get current prices now are from the airline/TA or the base price from somewhere like EF or KVS. ...

Not completely true.

As per the link in danger's post, there is a great up-to-date resource available:

RTW Fares Comparison

anabolism Mar 19, 2012 2:17 am

I never considered a Circle Trip Explorer, because it's basically an xONEx without the Americas, and we like to start somewhere cheap and include a few stops in North America, including at home. But, I'm in need of ~30k miles in D and have been hunting for an ex-JNB DONE4 or ex-TLV DONE3 that could take me to fun beachy places, and either all of the overnight flights are nice for a solo flyer (e.g., CX, BA on 747 upstairs, or AA upgraded to F), or I could get a reasonable award ticket for a friend to cone along.

I was thinking jnb-lhr-lax-dfw-mia-cur-mia-lax-hkg-hkt-hkg-jnb, which prices at $6887 on-line. But this thread has be thinking about a DONEWC4 ex-Manila for under $5k! I'd have to include Australia/New Zealand, and QF are awful for solo flyers (no privacy, lousy wedgie seats) but maybe those could be daytime or maybe there is award space.

Maybe AKL in Dec or Jan instead of CUR?

Is there an agent in Manila who can sell these by fax/email? I assume no chance of AA RTW desk taking it over, since they're not a carrier?

anabolism Mar 20, 2012 4:46 pm

I found a BA page listing a GSA in Manila:
Euro-Philippines Airline Services, Inc.
135 Filipino Building
Delarosa Street, Legaspi Village
Makati City, Philippines

Tel: +632 817 0361 or +632 817 0364
Fax: +632 819 0410 or +632 815 6433

[email protected] 08:30 - 17:30
Monday - Friday
Also confirmed with AA RTW that they won't touch these. I'll try emailing them to ask about setting up a ticket and issuing it remotely, via email and fax. It would be terrific to hear from anyone who has done this. It sounds like an amazing deal, cheaper even than a DONE4 ex-KRT, and much safer and easier. Why is there so little discussion on FT? You'd think people would be all over this deal.

If this itinerary works and if taxes and fees aren't crazy, it sounds amazing. Great Circle Mapper shows 35,571 miles and EF says $$4167 base: mnl-hkg-hkt-hkg-bne-bme-syd-lhr-jnb-hkg-mnl

Gardyloo Mar 20, 2012 4:59 pm


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 18240123)
I found a BA page listing a GSA in Manila:
Euro-Philippines Airline Services, Inc.
135 Filipino Building
Delarosa Street, Legaspi Village
Makati City, Philippines

Tel: +632 817 0361 or +632 817 0364
Fax: +632 819 0410 or +632 815 6433

[email protected] 08:30 - 17:30
Monday - Friday
Also confirmed with AA RTW that they won't touch these. I'll try emailing them to ask about setting up a ticket and issuing it remotely, via email and fax. It would be terrific to hear from anyone who has done this. It sounds like an amazing deal, cheaper even than a DONE4 ex-KRT, and much safer and easier. Why is there so little discussion on FT? You'd think people would be all over this deal.

If this itinerary works and if taxes and fees aren't crazy, it sounds amazing. Great Circle Mapper shows 35,571 miles and EF says $$4167 base: mnl-hkg-hkt-hkg-bne-bme-syd-lhr-jnb-hkg-mnl

Based on the KVS table above and on a look just now on EF, the price quoted in the RTW fare tool is way out of date. Current pricing is now ca. US$11,400 for a DONEWC4 ex-MNL.

anabolism Mar 20, 2012 5:55 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 18240194)
Based on the KVS table above and on a look just now on EF, the price quoted in the RTW fare tool is way out of date. Current pricing is now ca. US$11,400 for a DONEWC4 ex-MNL.

Odd, because EF quotes $4167 USD:

Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Code:

Fare Information Search:

Departing MNL on 03/20/12 for MNL
Flying BA  on booking class D
Viewing in currency USD
Validated Results

Fare Basis  Airline  Booking  Trip Type  Fare          Cabin  Effective  Expiration  Min/Max  Advanced
                    Class                                      Date      Date        Stay    Purchase Req
DONEWC3    BA      D        Round-Trip  3638.00 (USD)  B                            10 / 12M
DONEWC4    BA      D        Round-Trip  4167.00 (USD)  B                            10 / 12M
DAS13      BA      D        Round-Trip  4385.00 (USD)  B                            03 / 12M
DAS17      BA      D        Round-Trip  5040.00 (USD)  B                            03 / 12M
DCIR22      BA      D        Round-Trip  5453.00 (USD)  B                            05 / 12M 07
DCIR26      BA      D        Round-Trip  6653.00 (USD)  B                            05 / 12M 07
DCIR29SA    BA      D        Round-Trip  7089.00 (USD)  B                            05 / 12M 07
DONE3      BA      D        Round-Trip  9947.00 (USD)  B                            10 / 12M
DGLOB34    BA      D        Round-Trip  11346.00 (USD) B                            10 / 12M
DONE4      BA      D        Round-Trip  11346.00 (USD) B                            10 / 12M
DONE5      BA      D        Round-Trip  12218.00 (USD) B                            10 / 12M
DONE6      BA      D        Round-Trip  13505.00 (USD) B                            10 / 12M

I don't see a local currency in EF's drop-down; I did the EF query using USD.

The KVS table above shows a DONEWC4 costing more than a DONE4, while my EF query shows a DONEWC4 as much less expensive. Very odd, since one would expect the relative cost difference to be accurate even if the currency conversion is incorrect.

anabolism Mar 20, 2012 6:09 pm


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 18240512)
The KVS table above shows a DONEWC4 costing more than a DONE4, while my EF query shows a DONEWC4 as much less expensive. Very odd, since one would expect the relative cost difference to be accurate even if the currency conversion is incorrect.

Ah, I see the difference: I queried using BA as the carrier, while the KVS query used CX. Changing EF to query CX instead of BA shows fares in the $11k area:

Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Code:

Fare Information Search:

Departing MNL on 03/20/12 for MNL
Flying CX  on booking class D
Viewing in currency USD
Validated Results

Fare Basis  Airline  Booking  Trip Type  Fare          Cabin  Effective  Expiration  Min/Max  Advanced
                    Class                                      Date      Date        Stay    Purchase Req
DAS13      CX      D        Round-Trip  4385.00 (USD)  B                            03 / 12M
DAS17      CX      D        Round-Trip  5040.00 (USD)  B                            03 / 12M
DCIR22      CX      D        Round-Trip  5453.00 (USD)  B                            05 / 12M 07
DCIR26      CX      D        Round-Trip  6653.00 (USD)  B                            05 / 12M 07
DCIR29SA    CX      D        Round-Trip  7089.00 (USD)  B                            05 / 12M 07
DONE3      CX      D        Round-Trip  9947.00 (USD)  B                            10 / 12M
DONEWC3    CX      D        Round-Trip  9947.00 (USD)  B                            10 / 12M
DGLOB34    CX      D        Round-Trip  11346.00 (USD) B                            10 / 12M
DONE4      CX      D        Round-Trip  11346.00 (USD) B                            10 / 12M
DONEWC4    CX      D        Round-Trip  11346.00 (USD) B                            10 / 12M
DONE5      CX      D        Round-Trip  12218.00 (USD) B                            10 / 12M
DONE6      CX      D        Round-Trip  13505.00 (USD) B                            10 / 12M

So, can the BA fare be used?


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