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#1951
Join Date: Mar 2008
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#1952
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#1954
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: SEA
Programs: AA LT PLT; HH Diamond; AS 75K
Posts: 2,877
I've read through some threads and rule sheets and still confused about DONE fares and routing. I'll be in JNB/CPT so thought this would be a good place to start. Ideally I would like to make stops in (Europe) Spain and Greece; (Asia) Malaysia and Vietnam; (NA) SEA and then return to JNB.
I tried routing CPT-JNB-MAD-ATH-LON-KUL-SEA-LON-JNB-CPT and get an error on the SEA-LON-JNB flights (<24 hrs in LON). It seems the only routing that works if I include SA and replace LON with GRU but this adds a continent. Prices out to 130,000ZAR or ~9,000usd.
Any suggestions?
I tried routing CPT-JNB-MAD-ATH-LON-KUL-SEA-LON-JNB-CPT and get an error on the SEA-LON-JNB flights (<24 hrs in LON). It seems the only routing that works if I include SA and replace LON with GRU but this adds a continent. Prices out to 130,000ZAR or ~9,000usd.
Any suggestions?
#1955
Moderator, OneWorld
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: SEA
Programs: RAA RIP; AA ExEXP
Posts: 11,794
I've read through some threads and rule sheets and still confused about DONE fares and routing. I'll be in JNB/CPT so thought this would be a good place to start. Ideally I would like to make stops in (Europe) Spain and Greece; (Asia) Malaysia and Vietnam; (NA) SEA and then return to JNB.
I tried routing CPT-JNB-MAD-ATH-LON-KUL-SEA-LON-JNB-CPT and get an error on the SEA-LON-JNB flights (<24 hrs in LON). It seems the only routing that works if I include SA and replace LON with GRU but this adds a continent. Prices out to 130,000ZAR or ~9,000usd.
Any suggestions?
I tried routing CPT-JNB-MAD-ATH-LON-KUL-SEA-LON-JNB-CPT and get an error on the SEA-LON-JNB flights (<24 hrs in LON). It seems the only routing that works if I include SA and replace LON with GRU but this adds a continent. Prices out to 130,000ZAR or ~9,000usd.
Any suggestions?
A second entry/transit in Europe is subject to this rule:
Two (entries) permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa. If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.
The "Europe second entry" issue has been perplexing users of this product for years. Don't feel like the lone trooper.
#1956
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: SEA
Programs: AA LT PLT; HH Diamond; AS 75K
Posts: 2,877
It's because you're entering Europe twice on an itinerary that includes South Africa.
A second entry/transit in Europe is subject to this rule:
Try originating in Mozambique (MPM) instead of South Africa (much cheaper with recent price increases ex-SA) with an itinerary like this - MPM-xDOH-MAD-ATH-LHR-KUL-HKG-LAX-SEA-JFK-xDOH-MPM - and see if you can make it work. Note Qatar is the only Oneworld carrier serving MPM, and ticketing through QR is its own adventure. You might try ticketing through the AA RTW desk; you'll probably help things along by using AA between HKG and LAX so they have some overwater skin in the game.
The "Europe second entry" issue has been perplexing users of this product for years. Don't feel like the lone trooper.
A second entry/transit in Europe is subject to this rule:
Try originating in Mozambique (MPM) instead of South Africa (much cheaper with recent price increases ex-SA) with an itinerary like this - MPM-xDOH-MAD-ATH-LHR-KUL-HKG-LAX-SEA-JFK-xDOH-MPM - and see if you can make it work. Note Qatar is the only Oneworld carrier serving MPM, and ticketing through QR is its own adventure. You might try ticketing through the AA RTW desk; you'll probably help things along by using AA between HKG and LAX so they have some overwater skin in the game.
The "Europe second entry" issue has been perplexing users of this product for years. Don't feel like the lone trooper.
#1957
Join Date: Jul 2007
Programs: QFF
Posts: 5,304
The online booking tool is very buggy. There are cases where a 2nd entry into NA, EU/ME or Asia are allowed when one entry is a transfer to another continent. The tool doesn't do well for anything other then the most basic of routes. Best to book through a travel agent or an airline RTW desk (such as the AA desk).
#1958
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: SEA
Programs: AA LT PLT; HH Diamond; AS 75K
Posts: 2,877
It's because you're entering Europe twice on an itinerary that includes South Africa.
A second entry/transit in Europe is subject to this rule:
Try originating in Mozambique (MPM) instead of South Africa (much cheaper with recent price increases ex-SA) with an itinerary like this - MPM-xDOH-MAD-ATH-LHR-KUL-HKG-LAX-SEA-JFK-xDOH-MPM - and see if you can make it work. Note Qatar is the only Oneworld carrier serving MPM, and ticketing through QR is its own adventure. You might try ticketing through the AA RTW desk; you'll probably help things along by using AA between HKG and LAX so they have some overwater skin in the game.
The "Europe second entry" issue has been perplexing users of this product for years. Don't feel like the lone trooper.
A second entry/transit in Europe is subject to this rule:
Try originating in Mozambique (MPM) instead of South Africa (much cheaper with recent price increases ex-SA) with an itinerary like this - MPM-xDOH-MAD-ATH-LHR-KUL-HKG-LAX-SEA-JFK-xDOH-MPM - and see if you can make it work. Note Qatar is the only Oneworld carrier serving MPM, and ticketing through QR is its own adventure. You might try ticketing through the AA RTW desk; you'll probably help things along by using AA between HKG and LAX so they have some overwater skin in the game.
The "Europe second entry" issue has been perplexing users of this product for years. Don't feel like the lone trooper.
#1959
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#1960
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: SEA
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#1961
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Join Date: Feb 2002
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US$8K sounds about right given taxes and fees on top of the base $7055 fare.
For what it's worth, for the moment starting in Oslo is only $100 more in base fare than starting in South Africa. It looks like other "cheap" origin countries, including Japan, have seen recent price increases, possibly reducing their usefulness as alternative start points. In your case it might be cheaper to start the RTW ticket in Norway rather than Africa, as the ultimate return to the US (after the RTW) might be cheaper than returning all the way from southern Africa. For example, your route could be modified to OSL-LHR-ATH-MAD-JFK-SEA-LAX-HKG-SGN/HAN-KUL-HKG-JNB-DOH-OSL or OSL-DOH-JNB-HKG-SGN/HAN-KUL-HKG-LAX-SEA-JFK-MAD-ATH-LHR-OSL which might be cheaper (and maybe more convenient) than twisting yourself around with positioning trips to and from Africa. You could even ride Norwegian's el cheapo service to Oslo to position for the RTW start.
Last edited by Gardyloo; Nov 15, 2017 at 7:44 am
#1962
Join Date: Mar 2008
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And also Yes - if you take the AA flight LAX-HKG, then you can phone the AA ATW Desk to buy the ticket. Just tell the agent that you want to pay for it in the US in US Dollars (assuming that's what you want to do). The price will first be worked out in ZAR and then converted to USD (you do NOT pay the US price!)
Your new itinerary has no second visit to the continent of Europe/Middle Eat and so even the hopelessly buggy on-line tool can handle it!
If you buy the ticket from AA and you do want a second visit to Europe/Middle East
Then your return to Africa must be via the Middle East (because you are including South Africa and you started with a flight from Africa to Europe) - for example LHR-DOH-JNB
You can return to anywhere in Africa, it does not have to be South Africa
And you can stopover in Europe/Middle East on the second visit as well as the first
Finally, your proposed itinerary is using only 12 of the allowed 16 segments
So I do hope you're planning to add say 4 flights in North America, to enjoy while you are back in Seattle halfway through the RTW
#1963
Join Date: Apr 2009
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If I were to reserve and pay for this I would need to have dates/flights for all segments to TC2>TC1 (JNB-MAD-ATH-LON-SEA) and the rest could be left open?
I can change the dates at no cost but if the routing does it is $125? Ex. change SEA-LAX-HKG to SEA-JFK-HKG or add a stopover in a continent.
If I keep the routing and date the same but change carrier (MH>CX) on a segment is the $125 fee applicable?
THanks
#1964
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: SEA
Programs: RAA RIP; AA ExEXP
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A couple questions:
If I were to reserve and pay for this I would need to have dates/flights for all segments to TC2>TC1 (JNB-MAD-ATH-LON-SEA) and the rest could be left open?
I can change the dates at no cost but if the routing does it is $125? Ex. change SEA-LAX-HKG to SEA-JFK-HKG or add a stopover in a continent.
If I keep the routing and date the same but change carrier (MH>CX) on a segment is the $125 fee applicable?
THanks
If I were to reserve and pay for this I would need to have dates/flights for all segments to TC2>TC1 (JNB-MAD-ATH-LON-SEA) and the rest could be left open?
I can change the dates at no cost but if the routing does it is $125? Ex. change SEA-LAX-HKG to SEA-JFK-HKG or add a stopover in a continent.
If I keep the routing and date the same but change carrier (MH>CX) on a segment is the $125 fee applicable?
THanks
Date and carrier changes (MH>CX) shouldn't attract the $125 fee but they might incur "service" fees depending on who's doing the changing.
#1965
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Last edited by christep; Nov 18, 2017 at 12:15 pm Reason: typo