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startpacking Dec 30, 2009 4:22 pm

Problems with AA's pricing on a DONE3 ticket
 
I am buying a DONE3 ticket that strarts and ends in Amman, Jordan. The base fare according to One World's website in JD is 4,400. I live in Canada and I will purchase this ticket in Canadian dollars. AA has quoted me a fare of USD 9,100, with taxes for this ticket. At the current exchange rate this ticket should be approximately US$6,300 plus taxes. I asked AA why I have been quoted in USD and not Canadian dollars, they said to call again in 24 hours. I am now quoted a fare of $9,700 Canadian dollars, on a base fare of JD 6,1??. I have asked them to look into this, since the base fare shown on OW.com is JD 4,400. They are telling me to check back in 24 hours.

Wondering, if this kind of confusion is normal when booking/pricing a rtw ticket? Is there anything I did wrong? (I did tell the agent I reside in Canada and I would like to purchase my ticket from Canada.) Or, is this just a bit of bad luck I need to deal with.

I am learning about booking/ticketing process for a rtw ticket.

Dr. HFH Dec 30, 2009 5:34 pm

Well, the manner in which you book and purchase your ticket can make a huge difference. I always book on the phone with the AA RTW desk, 800-247-3247 from the US. Tell them that the itinerary is starting in AMM, and that you want it fared in Jordanian currency converted to Candian dollars for pickup in Canada. You will have no problem.

This is a two step process. I.e., after you make the rezzy, they send the itinerary off to the faring people in Dublin. They fare the itinerary and set it up for ticketing. It's much easier to have it done the way you want it the first time than it is to have it fixed or changed later.

startpacking Dec 30, 2009 5:45 pm

Thank you, DR HFH. I did call AA's rtw desk to make the reservation, and I had told them that I wanted to purchase my ticket in Canada, in Canadian dollars. I'll see what they come back with tomorrow.

Just wondering given this problem, how can I check if the taxes are being charged correctly? Is there a webiste I can refer to to check what the taxes are for each flight segment.

Mr. Bean Dec 30, 2009 6:36 pm


Originally Posted by startpacking (Post 13083059)
Thank you, DR HFH. I did call AA's rtw desk to make the reservation, and I had told them that I wanted to purchase my ticket in Canada, in Canadian dollars. I'll see what they come back with tomorrow.

Just wondering given this problem, how can I check if the taxes are being charged correctly? Is there a webiste I can refer to to check what the taxes are for each flight segment.

IIRC the OW tool should give you the taxes. Maybe they are giving you the price for purchasing in Canada.

jbalmuth Dec 30, 2009 7:44 pm

I advise that all money conversations between you and the AA RTW desk be in regard to Jordanian currency.

At the point of actual purchase ---- when presumably there are no remaining disagreements/misunderstandings regarding the all-in JD total ---- should the all-in total of JD be converted into Canadian dollars.

Are you unable to price the itinerary (and all taxes) in JD on the OW Tool? ime, the only discrepancy should be the YQ (and AA will hopefully be charging significantly less YQ than BA or whatever other airline the tool assigns to price the online ticket....)

Dr. HFH Dec 30, 2009 8:38 pm


Originally Posted by startpacking (Post 13083059)
Thank you, DR HFH. I did call AA's rtw desk to make the reservation, and I had told them that I wanted to purchase my ticket in Canada, in Canadian dollars. I'll see what they come back with tomorrow.

Just wondering given this problem, how can I check if the taxes are being charged correctly? Is there a webiste I can refer to to check what the taxes are for each flight segment.

Sure, happy to help. I've never used the online tool, only the RTW desk. When you told them that you wanted to purchase in Canada with Canadian dollars, did you specifically ask them for the ex-Jordan price? If you didn't, you'll want to check that and get it re-priced before you buy. Don't know the details about the taxes, as I've never checked. Good luck.

startpacking Dec 30, 2009 9:13 pm

Thanks for the additional comments


Yes, when I first made the reservation I told AA I'd like to purchase in CAD on the ex Jordan price. For whatever reasons AA quoted the fare to me in USD. WHen I asked them to quote in CAD, the JO price that they are using is just over JO 6100 plus taxes. When I asked AA how they got this airfare, they couldn't answer my question. On OW.com the fare for this ticket is JO 4400. They did say they'd look into this and will have some sort of answer by tomorrow.

I have spent the last hour on OW.com to try to book the itinerary and get a fare that includes taxes. Everytime I click book now, the screen just goes back to the itinerary planner page and I don't get any fare/tax information. :( This has happened to me five times. I even saved the itinerary on OW.com and then logged in again to see if I could get any fare information, the exact same thing happened. :mad:
I am getting no where with OW.com. The reason why I called AA to book in the first place is because I wanted to purchase the ticket with open segments.

Hoping this will be resolved tomorrow for once and for all.

startpacking Dec 31, 2009 10:37 am

An update, in case anybody is interested. Spoke to AA today, had the exact same conversation with them as yesterday. Told to check back again over the weekend. In short, no progress. Not happy about this. :(

Gardyloo Dec 31, 2009 2:13 pm

Unfortunately the AA RTW desk has evidently had some staff turnover and some agents may not know all the ins and outs as well as people in the past.

Note that AA-ticketed RTWs are priced by the tariff people in Dublin, so don't expect the RTW desk people to be fluent on pricing in various countries. Not their job.

Is there some reason you don't want to use the online tool? Presumably it would give you a satisfactory price. FWIW, RTWs issued on RJ stock are actually priced by AA.

Otherwise, try calling back, have a copy of the rules in front of you and specify that you want the ticket issued ex-AMM and carrying the Jordan price, and also be able to cite the section in the rules where it mentions the "Canada exception."

Meant to add, the online tool can be exasperating, and a few days ago it was offline altogether IIRC. I also know that it sometimes doesn't seem to work well, or at all, with Firefox. If you're using IE, be sure to clear your cache and cookies before starting over.

Best of luck.

alonna Dec 31, 2009 8:40 pm

I'm in a similar situation, sort of. I am buying a LONE5 ticket originating in Ecuador. When I talked to AA RTW desk yesterday, the person I spoke with insisted that to get the Ecuador ticket price ($3900 vs. $5100 USD buying in the US) I had to physically purchase the ticket in Ecuador. I'm new to this, but that didn't seem right to me so I tried to ask in different ways of how I could do this over the phone. She was pretty insistent that I had to buy it at an AA ticket counter in Ecuador, and she wasn't interested in figuring out any other way to do it. She almost acted as if I was "cheating the system" by doing it this way, instead of paying the US price.

So... I agree that they might be quoting you the Canadian price. If it happens again, maybe tell them you want to purchase the ticket in Jordan!?

Regarding the online tool... when I first started using it (2-3 weeks ago), I also couldn't get anywhere with the "Book Now" button. But for some reason within the last week it's started working for me. I've changed my itinerary a bunch so maybe it has something to do with that.

At this point I could buy my ticket online with the OW tool. But I'm a little hesitant, because I want to see what price AA comes up with after taxes to compare it to the online tool results. Maybe it'll be the same price, but I really have no idea, and I'd like to go with whatever is cheaper. Also I'm pretty sure if I book online it will be with LAN, but it sounds like AA is easier to contact during the trip for making changes (although I'm starting to doubt their customer service in light of our current problems booking tickets).

Anyway, I'm not sure this helps you at all, just another data point.

jerry a. laska Dec 31, 2009 8:47 pm


Originally Posted by alonna (Post 13089683)
I'm in a similar situation, sort of. I am buying a LONE5 ticket originating in Ecuador. When I talked to AA RTW desk yesterday, the person I spoke with insisted that to get the Ecuador ticket price ($3900 vs. $5100 USD buying in the US) I had to physically purchase the ticket in Ecuador. I'm new to this, but that didn't seem right to me so I tried to ask in different ways of how I could do this over the phone. She was pretty insistent that I had to buy it at an AA ticket counter in Ecuador, and she wasn't interested in figuring out any other way to do it. She almost acted as if I was "cheating the system" by doing it this way, instead of paying the US price.

So... I agree that they might be quoting you the Canadian price. If it happens again, maybe tell them you want to purchase the ticket in Jordan!?

Regarding the online tool... when I first started using it (2-3 weeks ago), I also couldn't get anywhere with the "Book Now" button. But for some reason within the last week it's started working for me. I've changed my itinerary a bunch so maybe it has something to do with that.

At this point I could buy my ticket online with the OW tool. But I'm a little hesitant, because I want to see what price AA comes up with after taxes to compare it to the online tool results. Maybe it'll be the same price, but I really have no idea, and I'd like to go with whatever is cheaper. Also I'm pretty sure if I book online it will be with LAN, but it sounds like AA is easier to contact during the trip for making changes (although I'm starting to doubt their customer service in light of our current problems booking tickets).

Anyway, I'm not sure this helps you at all, just another data point.

The canada situation is different as there is a rule that allows for purchase in the country of origin or Canada. There is no similar rule for Ecuador so you have to either purchase your xonex using the online tool or in Ecuador as the agent told you. Purchasing in Ecuador would include you finding a friendly travel agent that will issue the ticket for you over the phone or by wire transferring funds. You may have some trouble in that regard.

alonna Dec 31, 2009 9:03 pm

oooh... I see. Well then I guess the AA rep wasn't rude, just telling the truth! Okay then, I'll have to decide if it's worth trouble to buy in Ecuador (or find a way over the phone) vs. using the tool. We'll see - if AA comes back with a much better price (>$100 lower) then I'll consider it.

startpacking - I just remembered! I think the problem I had with the OW "Book Now" was that my Firefox browser was blocking pop-ups. It wasn't obvious at first, but at some point I figured that out and that *might* be why it's working for me now. Good luck!

Dr. HFH Jan 1, 2010 6:17 am


Originally Posted by jerry a. laska (Post 13089708)
The canada situation is different as there is a rule that allows for purchase in the country of origin or Canada. There is no similar rule for Ecuador so you have to either purchase your xonex using the online tool or in Ecuador as the agent told you. Purchasing in Ecuador would include you finding a friendly travel agent that will issue the ticket for you over the phone or by wire transferring funds. You may have some trouble in that regard.

Wait a minute. The "Canada Excpetion" allows you to purchase your ticket in the country of origin of your first flight or Canada. If you purchase in Canada, you purchase it at the price of the country of origin converted to Canadian dollars, not at the Canadian price. I haven't seen any rule which excepts ex-Jordan tickets from the Canadian exception.

nielsdc Jan 1, 2010 10:06 am


Originally Posted by alonna (Post 13089683)

At this point I could buy my ticket online with the OW tool. But I'm a little hesitant, because I want to see what price AA comes up with after taxes to compare it to the online tool results. Maybe it'll be the same price, but I really have no idea, and I'd like to go with whatever is cheaper. Also I'm pretty sure if I book online it will be with LAN, but it sounds like AA is easier to contact during the trip for making changes (although I'm starting to doubt their customer service in light of our current problems booking tickets).

Anyway, I'm not sure this helps you at all, just another data point.

I expect the ticket will be cheaper if issued by LAN. AA only charges fuel surcharges on their on coded flights, but LAN doesn't charge any fuel surcharges at all (as far as I know).

AA will probably be easier to contact for changes, but for most changes you can just contact the operating airline anyway.

jerry a. laska Jan 1, 2010 11:48 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 13090821)
Wait a minute. The "Canada Excpetion" allows you to purchase your ticket in the country of origin of your first flight or Canada. If you purchase in Canada, you purchase it at the price of the country of origin converted to Canadian dollars, not at the Canadian price. I haven't seen any rule which excepts ex-Jordan tickets from the Canadian exception.

What a minute yourself. I never said anything about which price would be applied. I was just answering allona's question/concern about how the AA rtw desk told her/him the he/she couldn't buy her ex-Ecuador xonex over the phone or in the US. He/she can't, but the OP can purchase a rtw beginning in one country(Jordan) in another country(Canada) because of the exception. Where did I say anything about the price to be charged?


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