Old Apr 17, 2021, 9:51 pm
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For the NZ<---->AU (quarantine free) travel bubble various governmental permissions are needed in a addition to the usual passport/visa

AU permission (for NZ to AU)
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In addition State/territory authority may be needed.
What is in effect at any time can be hard to determine. May also be required cross a state border
NZ permission (for AU to NZ)
No states, so a lot simpler.
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Trans Tasman Bubble (including the Pacific Islands)

Old Oct 20, 2020, 12:17 am
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Originally Posted by lokijuh
I wish the media and our politicians would stop calling this a bubble! It is not.


By this definition, Singapore currently has a bubble with most of Australia (ie all except Vic.).
Except Australians can’t leave without an exemption. They’ll likely be able to travel soon to NZ. Wonder if that will present a loophole for Australians to depart to destinations further abroad from NZ.
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Old Oct 20, 2020, 12:53 am
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Originally Posted by NZbutterfly
Except Australians residents can’t leave without an exemption. They’ll likely be able to travel soon to NZ. Wonder if that will present a loophole for Australians to depart to destinations further abroad from NZ.
Corrected that for you. Australians can leave without exemption, just not those who live in Australia (which is most Australians admittedly), but likewise nationals of other countries can't leave Australia without exemption if they are residents (of Australia).

But yes it could present a loophole for residents to leave the country, if the government allowed people to travel to NZ, although once leaving NZ, it would trigger a need to quarantine upon return (to Australia) and there would still be the difficulty in getting back to Australia ... whilst quarantine caps remain in place.
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Old Oct 20, 2020, 2:25 am
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Originally Posted by lokijuh
I wish the media and our politicians would stop calling this a bubble ...
A Claytons bubble.
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Old Nov 5, 2020, 5:13 pm
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06 Nov 2020 (abc.net.au)--->Victoria to receive direct flights from New Zealand as state records no coronavirus cases for seventh straight day
Victoria will allow direct flights from New Zealand from Monday, after the state recorded a seventh consecutive day of no new coronavirus cases and no deaths. Premier Daniel Andrews said he had written to Prime Minister Scott Morrison this morning to ask him to facilitate the change.
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Air NZ have been flying AKL-MEL-AKL during these Covid-19 times. AKL-MEL with no passengers and MEL-AKL with passengers

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06 Nov 2020 (news.com.au)---> Direct flights from New Zealand to Melbourne to resume on Monday
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Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews announced on Friday that he had written to Prime Minister Scott Morrison that morning confirming the flights could resume on November 9.

“That is direct flights into Tullamarine from New Zealand so that New Zealanders will be able to travel direct to Melbourne and throughout Victoria,” Mr Andrews said. “While we found ourselves inadvertently in the New Zealand bubble, I’m not sure if bubbles have doors but the front door will now be (open).”
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Old Nov 6, 2020, 2:34 pm
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A little off topic
07 Nov 2020 (abc.net.au) --> Flights between Tasmania and New Zealand could resume as early as next year under a new deal to be announced by the Prime Minister today.

Key points:
  • Prime Minister Scott Morrison will today unveil plans for 130 direct flights between Hobart and New Zealand per year
  • The plan will cost the Federal Government $50 million, with flights expected to start in January
  • It will be the first time since 1996 that the direct flight route will be available to travellers

Flights between Tasmania and New Zealand could resume as early as next year under a new deal to be announced by the Prime Minister today.

Scott Morrison, in Tasmania for the Liberal Party's annual conference, will unveil plans for 130 direct flights between Hobart and New Zealand per year.
That's equal to three flights per week in warmer months, and two flights per week in winter.
It is not clear whether an international carrier will pursue the route.
The Australian Border Force and Australian Federal Police will have to be stationed at the Hobart International Airport to allow for the flights — but it appears that will happen on a fly-in, fly-out basis.
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07 Nov 2020 (news.com.au)----> Australians stranded overseas will be able to come home through Tasmania
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has made a new announcement that will come as welcome relief for Australians stuck overseas due to COVID-19.

Tasmania will become a new international entry point into Australia, both for citizens stranded overseas and for New Zealand tourists. The Prime Minister was in Hobart on Saturday to make the dual announcements alongside the state’s Premier, Peter Gutwein. Three flights will bring 450 Australians back via Tasmania over the coming three months, the leaders said.
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As for the tourist flights, the plan is to allow 130 flights over the next year from New Zealand. That would bring about 30,000 visitors. “This will stand Hobart Airport in a good (position) to become the international gateway to Tasmania,” Mr Gutwein said. The year-long tourism project will be subject to a review in January 2022. The route to New Zealand will be the first direct flight connection between that country and Tasmania since 1996.
From NZ will be quarantine free (-one way NZ--AU bubble) on current situation. 30,000 in 130 flights = 230 pax per aircraft at 100% load factor. 130 flights a year is 2.5 per week. All that will not happen, as many TT aircraft are A320/B737 (~150 - 175pax). Unless a massive subsidy for pax fares and/or wide body aircraft. In 1996 the HBA-CHC-HBA fares were not competitive compared to other TT routes.

450 from other countries over 3 months is not significant. 3 off flights at 150 pax on a wide body aircraft

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Old Nov 9, 2020, 5:48 pm
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Look out for a NZ-Cooks bubble announcement in the next 3 weeks, unless Auckland manages to shoot itself in the foot again.
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Old Nov 12, 2020, 10:34 pm
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The one way NZ-->AU bubble is falling part due to the NZ Government 14 day isolation requirement.
With NZ's recent Covid-19 community transmission (4 off) NZ has a higher rate than most of AU.
Guessing was high demand NZ to AU when the bubble was opened. But will be less now for people who want to come back to NZ.
Will be some rearranging of the pre booked NZ MIQ slots. Not all people will be happy.
13 Nov 2020 (nzherald.co.nz)----->Qantas cuts transtasman flights as MIQ spots fill up
Qantas and Jetstar have cut back flights across the Tasman until the end of January as a result of border restrictions and the limited number of quarantine spaces available in New Zealand.Qantas will operate two services a week between Sydney and Auckland with Jetstar to operate two to three flights a week from Sydney to Auckland until the end of January. Before the pandemic the airlines were flying up to 150 transtasman flights a week

The airlines slashed flights in March but restored a handful when a one-way bubble into New South Wales was started last month. Qantas could introduce more flights could be restored if the a two-way bubble between Australia and New Zealand is introduced
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13 Nov 2020 (tvnz.co.nz)----->Qantas, Jetstar cancel trans-Tasman flights, citing NZ's limited quarantine voucher
Some Qantas and Jetstar customers have had their Christmas travel plans thwarted as the airlines scale back flights to and from New Zealand. The companies say the decision is based on managed isolation facilities in New Zealand reaching capacity.
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Customers who already have a voucher for managed isolation and who have had a cancelled flight will be re-accommodated by Air New Zealand services or moved to another Qantas or Jetstar flight. All other customers will receive a credit to the value of their booking, valid to the end of 2022. A Qantas group spokesperson told 1 NEWS the company is "working with New Zealand authorities to ensure that our schedules align with available quarantine spaces.
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Old Nov 17, 2020, 11:52 am
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17 Nov 2020 (news.com.au)-----> Australia NZ travel bubble won’t happen by Christmas, Jacinda Ardern says
New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has squashed any hope of Australians being able to see their Kiwi friends by Christmas, despite our neighbours across the ditch being allowed into most of our states and territories. It was hoped a trans-Tasman bubble could be locked in before the end of the year, allowing Australians and Kiwis to travel unrestricted between the two nations.
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The Adelaide outbreak has put a hold on the TT bubble for many weeks.
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Old Dec 2, 2020, 2:38 pm
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Another hindrance to the AU NZ bubble
03 Dec (news.com.au)-->Quarantine worker tests positive in NSW bringing virus-free streak to an end

03 Dec (abc.net.au)----->NSW hotel quarantine worker in Sydney tests positive to COVID-19
The NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard has confirmed a Sydney hotel quarantine worker has tested positive for COVID-19, ending the state's 26-day streak without any locally acquired cases.
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Old Dec 2, 2020, 3:05 pm
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Originally Posted by JamesBigglesworth
Look out for a NZ-Cooks bubble announcement in the next 3 weeks, unless Auckland manages to shoot itself in the foot again.
02 Dec(rnz.co.nz)--->No hope of Pacific travel bubble before Christmas - Hipkins
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Old Dec 2, 2020, 6:03 pm
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Any bubbles are probably cactus.

Roll-out/uptake of the vax offers some hope for travel.
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Old Dec 2, 2020, 10:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
Yup. I was wrong. I've been told the vaccines coming in has caused a rethink and yet another delay on the basis of "At this point, why not just wait?"

Short sighted and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of risk/benefit assessment, IMO.
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Old Dec 2, 2020, 10:43 pm
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Originally Posted by JamesBigglesworth
Yup. I was wrong. I've been told the vaccines coming in has caused a rethink and yet another delay on the basis of "At this point, why not just wait?"

Short sighted and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of risk/benefit assessment, IMO.
NZ and the Pacific Islands would seem to be at the end of list for vaccines.
AU has a published vaccine policy ---> https://www.health.gov.au/resources/...ination-policy
NZ in an endless bureaucratic loop with no decisions?
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Old Dec 5, 2020, 10:29 am
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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
NZ and the Pacific Islands would seem to be at the end of list for vaccines.
Why?
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Old Dec 5, 2020, 3:53 pm
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Originally Posted by CPMaverick
Why?
NZ hasn't ordered many. Of the top 3 candidates they've ordered 1.5 doses of the Pfizer vaccine (which innoculates 750k people) and none of the Moderna or AZ vax. Australia in comparison has 10m doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 33.8m of the AZ vaccine as well as the UQ/CSL vaccine coming next year. The Pacific Islands, and I think NZ, will be getting supply from the UQ/CSL vaccine which isn't coming until mid-next year (assuming it works). I'm not sure what the rollout is for that particular vaccine but I'd assume Australia will vaccinate its own population first.
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