Will I face greater scrutiny entering Australia from Thailand?
#16
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To the OP. I'd stop fretting. Arriving at any international airport will be variable depending on a number of factors. I've made it out of Heathrow in 18 minutes from the plane door to exit once, and that's collecting bags. Another time it was closer to 2 hours. Similarly in SYD and BNE, my usual arrival ports into Oz I've had speedy exits and slow exits. There's no sure fire way of not being stopped or slowed down. As long as your visa docs are in order (meaning you should have passed the good character tests), you're not carrying anything not allowed (food, drugs, contrand material) you should be fine. If you start acting nervously or suspiciously, then you are likely to give both the customs and immigration officials cause to start looking at you in more detail. The most that should entail is checking your bags and a body search. If you continue to act suspiciously, (and that can mean a number of different emotions to them) then they may decide to do an internal exam and/or x-ray. But they don't do those just for fun!! They'd have to have strong suspicions for whatever reason.
Calm down. Enjoy your holiday!
#17
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I didn't mean to give an impression of anxiety, just interested in what to expect to allow planning for my first day.
For what it's worth, I would expect them to profile incoming passengers, whether that be through origin of travel, origin of individual, length of stay, length of hair etc. but if we go down that route the thread will end up in Omni, so let's not.
For what it's worth, I would expect them to profile incoming passengers, whether that be through origin of travel, origin of individual, length of stay, length of hair etc. but if we go down that route the thread will end up in Omni, so let's not.
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I didn't mean to give an impression of anxiety, just interested in what to expect to allow planning for my first day.
For what it's worth, I would expect them to profile incoming passengers, whether that be through origin of travel, origin of individual, length of stay, length of hair etc. but if we go down that route the thread will end up in Omni, so let's not.
For what it's worth, I would expect them to profile incoming passengers, whether that be through origin of travel, origin of individual, length of stay, length of hair etc. but if we go down that route the thread will end up in Omni, so let's not.
But if they are filming Border Force, then expect them to select people that the producers think are photogenic enough to appear on the show, or at least behind a pixelated cloud!
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None of them.
You said "Australian customs might not [care about one's citizenship(s)], but UK customs have [cared about one's citizenship(s)], but that is not what you meant to say.
You said "Australian customs might not [care about one's citizenship(s)], but UK customs have [cared about one's citizenship(s)], but that is not what you meant to say.
Australian customs might not, but UK customs have.
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When I had my passport from my origin country (Asia), I was stopped at Australian Customs every single time with half of the time thorough search (open bag after X-ray style search). Since I had switched to my European passport, I have never be directed to custom channel at all, in fact, I have been went through without any checks except once was asked 2 simple questions by a custom officer while waiting for the luggage.
Then, in Sydney Airport where the explosive check point (domestic terminal and international to domestic check), I was topped 9 out 10 times to do the explosive checks.
I don't want to say Australians target particular passport holders, but my personal experience suggests otherwise.
Then, in Sydney Airport where the explosive check point (domestic terminal and international to domestic check), I was topped 9 out 10 times to do the explosive checks.
I don't want to say Australians target particular passport holders, but my personal experience suggests otherwise.
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Then, in Sydney Airport where the explosive check point (domestic terminal and international to domestic check), I was topped 9 out 10 times to do the explosive checks.
I don't want to say Australians target particular passport holders, but my personal experience suggests otherwise.
I don't want to say Australians target particular passport holders, but my personal experience suggests otherwise.
As for customs, you don't show your passport either, although you do need to fill in your nationality on the form.
If we are resorting to anecdotes then my dad used to have a thick and long beard, and he was frequently targeted, but after he shaved it off he has not been targeted.
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As for customs, you don't show your passport either, although you do need to fill in your nationality on the form.
If we are resorting to anecdotes then my dad used to have a thick and long beard, and he was frequently targeted, but after he shaved it off he has not been targeted.
If we are resorting to anecdotes then my dad used to have a thick and long beard, and he was frequently targeted, but after he shaved it off he has not been targeted.
Plus, most passengers keep passport together with custom forms as a habit.
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Errr.... Your whole post was about how you were targeted on your Asian passport, but after you became a citizen of a European country you stopped being targeted. I assume your skin is the same colour as before.
I said Australian customs doesn't care about your citizenship. They may or may not racially profile, but if they see someone who looks like you or me, they won't be able to tell what passport we hold unless they see the passport or read the orange form.
In my family there are Australian, American, British, Canadian, German, Malaysian, Singaporean and Peruvian passport holders, but our skin is all the same colour.
I dunno. I have only entered Australia as an Australian and I (or in the past my parents) always put the passports away after immigration. At customs they only ask me for the orange form. Even when everyone got checked before 2009 they only wanted to see the form (as I said, you write your nationality on it anyway).
At AKL I put my passport away after immigration too. At the biosecurity desk they only ask for the form, last time I was sent to x-ray but didn't need to get passport out.
Yes you are right that passengers like to keep their passport with the customs form.
When departing LHR, once you have a BP, you don't need your passport until boarding (could be 3 hours after entering airside) but everyone except me seems to love waving their passport around in the lounge.
I said Australian customs doesn't care about your citizenship. They may or may not racially profile, but if they see someone who looks like you or me, they won't be able to tell what passport we hold unless they see the passport or read the orange form.
In my family there are Australian, American, British, Canadian, German, Malaysian, Singaporean and Peruvian passport holders, but our skin is all the same colour.
Are you sure you don't need to show your passport? As far as I remember, the first thing the Australian custom officer want when doing a search is your custom form and passport. I have not been checked last few years as I normally walk through with my European passport in Australia. But the recent experience in New Zealand certainly indicates New Zealand custom wants both passport and custom form.
Plus, most passengers keep passport together with custom forms as a habit.
Plus, most passengers keep passport together with custom forms as a habit.
At AKL I put my passport away after immigration too. At the biosecurity desk they only ask for the form, last time I was sent to x-ray but didn't need to get passport out.
Yes you are right that passengers like to keep their passport with the customs form.
When departing LHR, once you have a BP, you don't need your passport until boarding (could be 3 hours after entering airside) but everyone except me seems to love waving their passport around in the lounge.
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I dunno. I have only entered Australia as an Australian and I (or in the past my parents) always put the passports away after immigration. At customs they only ask me for the orange form. Even when everyone got checked before 2009 they only wanted to see the form (as I said, you write your nationality on it anyway).
At AKL I put my passport away after immigration too. At the biosecurity desk they only ask for the form, last time I was sent to x-ray but didn't need to get passport out.
At AKL I put my passport away after immigration too. At the biosecurity desk they only ask for the form, last time I was sent to x-ray but didn't need to get passport out.
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The AU domestic explosives check people just take the very next person to arrive after they are ready for another check. That's how it works every time I've flown. I can usually tell when my timing is going to be 'wrong' and have never been let by when it is my turn (I'm white). There's no bias there, you just got unlucky (or you dawdled around a long time after getting your stuff).