Australia/NZ Minimum Connect Times for Principal Airports

Old Sep 15, 10, 5:59 pm
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Australia/NZ Minimum Connect Times for Principal Airports

Is there consolidated MCT information or various airports in Australia/NZ somewhere (on the QF website or on a Flyertalk wiki)?
If so, I apologize but I have been unable to find it.

QF telephone agents seem more interested in communicating "safe" connect times. For example, I was told by a QF agent that at AKL I should allow 3 hours QF international to QF international. I also know that I have made 35 minute int-int connections when required by a late plane, so 3 hours just seemed a bit OTT. Then she asked if I was a "premier" member (Never heard that term before as a QFF.) and when I arbitrarily said "Yes." she said that 90 minutes would be fine. I still do not know what the actual minimum connect time is for ticketing. When I asked about non-QF international to QF-international, I was also given 90 minutes as a response.

If not, there should be a source of this information somewhere for Flyertalk folks to use. Air Tahiti Nui publish very helpful info for their customers, but I could not find the same with QF, nor do I have reliable information as to whether the same times apply to QF.

So, on the assumption there is not MCT info readily available for QF, to start off a table, here is what I have found for SYD, AKL and CNS:

Air Tahitinui's times, with QF agent-provided times in italics:
Can anyone confirm that some or all of these MCT apply to QF tickets?
Sydney Airport
- From Domestic Flight to Domestic Flight: 30 min
- From Domestic Flight to International Flight: 1h
- From International Flight to Domestic Flight: 1h15 (same as QF agent gave me for QFint-QFdom, shorter than the 90 min she gave for non-QFint-QFdom)
- From International Flight to International Flight: 1h
From http://www.airtahitinui-usa.com/airports/sydney.asp

Auckland Airport
NOTE: The times listed represent the absolute minimum connection times, but the times shown do not guarantee a connection. Due to regular airport congestion Air Tahiti Nui recommends adding at least 30 minutes to the guidelines below.
- International to International:
1 Hour 15 Minutes (QF agent gave me 90 minutes)
- International to Domestic:
1 Hour 30 Minutes
- Domestic to International:
1 Hour 15 Minutes
From http://www.airtahitinui-usa.com/airports/auckland.asp

Cairns Domestic to Domestic: QF Agent gave 60 minutes
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Old Sep 15, 10, 6:32 pm
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I'd be inclined to double all those figures for SYD.
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Old Sep 15, 10, 7:03 pm
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You do realise that there is no such thing as an airport MCT. Airlines have MCTs and can (and do) vary by all sorts of factors.

I'm bemused by TN (Air Tahiti Nui) having dom-dom MCTs at SYD given they don't even have passengers doing this connection on TN codeshares (even if the codeshares existed it would be cabotage and thus not allowed).
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Old Sep 15, 10, 7:16 pm
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MCT is airline specific and rarely varies by airport; as you have found out, elite status allows for shorter MCT sometimes. QF publishes the MCT in the GDS used by agents, so that is the definitive source (I don't have access to that directly). I've seen QF pubs that specify domestic MCT of 60 min and international MCT of 120 min within Australia. My own experience is that those times are sufficient in normal conditions.
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Old Sep 15, 10, 9:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer View Post
You do realise that there is no such thing as an airport MCT. Airlines have MCTs and can (and do) vary by all sorts of factors...
Exactly. That is why the title is Minimum QF Connect Times. I am not especially interested in Air Tahiti Nui connect times. I just would like to know what MCT I can request to have ticketed and know that my bags and I will be looked after and eventually get to my destination if I miss the connection. I appreciate the risk on my part of being much later getting to my destination than I hoped.
Originally Posted by number_6 View Post
MCT ... rarely varies by airport
Yet the times I have been given for AKL and SYD are quite different both for Air Tahiti Nui and for QF, according to an agent. Reasonably, at least to me, simpler terminals and easier transfers for people and baggage between International and Domestic should make a difference in the time needed for people and their baggage to make another flight.
Originally Posted by number_6 View Post
...elite status allows for shorter MCT sometimes.
Anyone have further thoughts on this? QF PS? SG? WP?
Originally Posted by number_6 View Post
QF publishes the MCT in the GDS used by agents, so that is the definitive source...
Perhaps someone with access to a GDS can confirm whether the MCT for SYD and AKL listed above are correct for ticketing and whether MCT varies with elite status.
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Old Sep 15, 10, 9:17 pm
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Here is the GDS published MCT output for QF-QF connections at major capital city airports in Australia, including exceptions for specific flight numbers:

DD = Domestic to Domestic
DI = Domestic to International
ID = International to Domestic
II = International to International

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: SYD/QF-QF]
Code:
                                               DD  DI  ID  II   
STANDARD:         SYD                          030 060 075 060  
EXCEPTIONS:                                                     
A/L FLT-NBR      TR DEPARR                                      
QF 0501          3                             040 --- --- ---  
QF 2205          2                                              
QF 0372                                        --- --- 050 ---  
QF 0371                                                         
QF 0001-2999                                   --- 075 --- ---  
QF 0337                                                         
QF 5000-5999                                   --- 120 --- ---  
QF 0321                                                         
QF               1                             --- 075 --- ---  
QF 0301                                                         
QF               1                             --- 075 --- ---  
QF 0319                                                         
QF               2                             --- 090 --- ---  
QF 0301                                                         
QF               2                             --- 090 --- ---  
QF 0319                                                         
QF               3                             --- 090 --- ---  
QF 0301 
QF               3                             --- 090 --- ---  
QF 0319                                                         
QF               3                             --- 075 --- ---  
QF 0367                                                         
QF                                             --- --- --- 075  
QF 0301                                                         
QF                                             --- --- --- 075  
QF 0319                                                         
QF                                             --- 090 --- ---  
QF 0321                                                         
QF                                             --- 120 --- ---  
QF 0375                                                         
-ALL-                                          --- 090 --- 090  
QF 0301                                                         
-ALL-                                          --- 090 --- 090  
QF 0319                                                         
QF 0200-0299     1                             --- 120 --- 120  
QF 0300-0399     1                                              
QF 0200-0299     1                             --- 120 --- ---  
QF 0340-0342     1 
QF 0200-0299     1                             090 --- 135 ---  
QF 5000-5999     2                                              
QF 0300-0399     1                             --- --- 120 120  
QF 0200-0299     1                                              
QF 5000-5999     2                             090 120 --- ---  
QF 0200-0299     1                                              
QF 5000-5999     2                             --- 120 --- ---  
QF 0340-0342     1                                              
QF               1                             --- --- --- 060  
QF 0200-0299     1                                              
QF               1                             090 --- 135 ---  
QF 5000-5999     2                                              
QF               2                             --- 105 --- ---  
QF 0200-0299     1                                              
QF               2                             090 --- --- ---  
QF 5000-5999     2                                              
QF               3                             --- 090 --- ---  
QF 0200-0299     1                                              
QF               3                             090 --- --- ---  
QF 5000-5999     2 

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[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: MEL/QF-QF]
Code:
                                               DD  DI  ID  II   
STANDARD:         MEL                          030 045 060 045  
EXCEPTIONS:                                                     
A/L FLT-NBR      TR DEPARR AREA                                 
-ALL-                  MEL                     180 --- --- ---  
QF                  AVV                                         
QF 0266          2                             --- --- 090 ---  
QF 0266          2                                              
QF 0268          2                             --- --- 090 ---  
QF 0268          2                                              
QF 0670                                        --- SUP --- ---  
QF 0201                                                         
QF               2                             --- --- --- 120  
QF 0200-0299     2         US                                   
QF                                             --- 120 --- ---  
QF 0200-0299     2         US                                   
-ALL-                                          --- 120 --- 120  
QF 0200-0299     2         US                                   
QF 0200-0299     2                             --- --- 120 ---  
QF 5000-5999     1                                              
QF 5000-5999     1                             090 --- --- ---  
QF 5000-5999     1 
QF               1                             --- 075 --- ---  
QF 0200-0299     2                                              
QF               1                             090 --- --- ---  
QF 5000-5999     1                                              
QF               2                             --- 060 --- 060  
QF 0200-0299     2                                              
QF               2                             090 --- 120 ---  
QF 5000-5999     1                                              
-ALL-            2                             090 --- 120 ---  
QF 5000-5999     1                                              
-ALL-            3                             090 --- --- ---  
QF 5000-5999     1                                              
-ALL-                                          090 105 120 120  
QF 0200-0299                                                    
QF 0200-0299     2                             --- --- 090 ---  
QF               1                                              
QF 5000-5999     1                             090 --- --- ---  
QF               1                                              
QF 5000-5999     1                             090 105 --- ---  
QF               2 
QF               1                             040 --- --- ---  
QF               1                                              
QF               1                             060 075 --- ---  
QF               2                                              
QF               2                             060 --- 090 ---  
QF               1                                              
QF               2                             060 060 060 060  
QF               2                                              
-ALL-            2                             --- --- 090 ---  
QF               1                                              
-ALL-            2                             --- --- 090 060  
QF               2                                              
-ALL-            3                             080 --- --- ---  
QF               1                                              
-ALL-            3                             080 120 --- ---  
QF               2                                              
QF 0341-0344     2                             --- --- --- 120  
-ALL-            2                                              
QF 5000-5999     1                             090 105 --- ---  
-ALL-            2 

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[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: BNE/QF-QF]
Code:
                                               DD  DI  ID  II   
STANDARD:         BNE                          030 090 090 050  
EXCEPTIONS:                                                     
A/L FLT-NBR      TR DEPARR                                      
QF 2511          D  MKY                        035 --- --- ---  
QF 0613          D     MEL                                      
QF 0600          D                             035 --- --- ---  
QF 2308          D                                              
QF 0600          D                             035 --- --- ---  
QF 2332          D                                              
QF 0604          D                             035 --- --- ---  
QF 2308          D                                              
QF 0604          D                             035 --- --- ---  
QF 2332          D                                              
QF 2517          D                             035 --- --- ---  
QF 2427          D                                              
QF 0400-2999     D                             --- --- 120 ---  
QF 0377          I                                              
QF 0356          I                             --- --- 120 ---  
QF 0400-2999     D                                              
QF 0378          I                             --- --- 120 ---  
QF 0400-2999     D 
QF 0001-0199     I                             045 --- 060 045  
QF 0001-0199     I                                              
QF 0001-0199     I                             045 045 060 045  
QF 0300-0399     I                                              
QF 0001-0199     I                             075 --- --- ---  
QF 0400-2999     D                                              
QF 0001-0199     I                             090 --- 120 ---  
QF 5000-5999     D                                              
QF 0200-0299     I                             --- 060 060 ---  
QF 0200-0299     I                                              
QF 0200-0299     I                             --- 120 120 120  
QF 0300-0399     I                                              
QF 0200-0299     I                             --- --- 120 ---  
QF 5000-5999     D                                              
QF 0300-0399     I                             045 045 060 045  
QF 0001-0199     I                                              
QF 0300-0399     I                             --- 120 120 120  
QF 0200-0299     I                                              
QF 0300-0399     I                             045 045 060 045  
QF 0300-0399     I 
QF 0300-0399     I                             075 --- --- ---  
QF 0400-2999     D                                              
QF 0300-0399     I                             090 --- 120 ---  
QF 5000-5999     D                                              
QF 0400-2999     D                             075 --- --- ---  
QF 0001-0199     I                                              
QF 0400-2999     D                             075 --- --- ---  
QF 0300-0399     I                                              
QF 0400-2999     D                             040 --- --- ---  
QF 0400-2999     D                                              
QF 0400-2999     D                             090 --- --- ---  
QF 5000-5999     D                                              
QF 5000-5999     D                             090 120 --- ---  
QF 0001-0199     I                                              
QF 5000-5999     D                             --- 120 --- ---  
QF 0200-0299     I                                              
QF 5000-5999     D                             090 --- --- ---  
QF 0300-0399     I                                              
QF 5000-5999     D                             090 --- --- ---  
QF 0400-2999     D 

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[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: ADL/QF-QF]
Code:
                                               DD  DI  ID  II   
STANDARD:         ADL                          030 080 080 060  
EXCEPTIONS:                                                     
A/L FLT-NBR         DEPARR                                      
-ALL-                  ADL                     180 180 180 ---  
QF                  XHX                                         
QF                     ADL                     180 180 180 ---  
-ALL-               XHX                                         
QF 0001-0399                                   060 --- --- ---  
QF 0001-0399                                                    
QF 0001-0399                                   090 --- --- ---  
QF 0400-2999                                                    
QF 0400-2999                                   060 --- --- ---  
QF 0001-0399                                                    
QF 0400-2999                                   040 --- --- ---  
QF 0400-2999                                                    
QF                                             090 --- --- ---  
QF 5000-5999                                                    
-ALL-                                          090 --- 150 ---  
QF 5000-5999                                                    
QF 5000-5999                                   090 --- --- ---  
QF 
                                                             
QF 5000-5999                                   090 150 --- ---  
-ALL-                                                           
**END OF DISPLAY**
[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: PER/QF-QF]
Code:
                                               DD  DI  ID  II   
STANDARD:         PER                          030 090 120 060  
EXCEPTIONS:                                                     
A/L FLT-NBR                                                     
QF 0064                                        --- --- 085 ---  
QF 0808                                                         
QF 0001-0399                                   060 --- --- ---  
QF 0001-0399                                                    
QF 0001-0399                                   090 --- 090 ---  
QF 0400-2999                                                    
QF 0400-2999                                   090 --- --- ---  
QF 0001-0399                                                    
QF 0400-2999                                   040 --- --- ---  
QF 0400-2999                                                    
QF                                             090 --- 150 ---  
QF 5000-5999                                                    
QF 5000-5999                                   --- 150 --- ---  
QF                                                              
**END OF DISPLAY**
[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: DRW/QF-QF]
Code:
                                               DD  DI  ID  II   
STANDARD:         DRW                          030 040 075 040  
EXCEPTIONS:                                                     
A/L FLT-NBR         DEPARR                                      
-ALL-                  DRW                     180 180 180 ---  
QF                  XJG                                         
QF                     DRW                     180 180 180 ---  
-ALL-               XJG                                         
QF 0260                                        --- --- 090 ---  
QF 5074                                                         
QF 5073                                        --- 060 --- ---  
QF 0259                                                         
QF 5000-5999                                   090 105 --- ---  
QF 0323                                                         
QF                                             --- 060 --- 060  
QF 0323                                                         
QF 0324                                        090 --- 120 ---  
QF 5000-5999                                                    
QF 0001-0199                                   030 --- 040 050  
QF 0001-0199                                                    
QF 0001-0199                                   040 --- 060 ---  
QF 0400-2999 
QF 0001-0199                                   090 --- 120 ---  
QF 5000-5999                                                    
QF 0200-0299                                   --- 065 090 ---  
QF 0200-0299                                                    
QF 0200-0299                                   --- --- 090 ---  
QF 5000-5999                                                    
QF 0300-0399                                   030 --- 040 050  
QF 0300-0399                                                    
QF 0300-0399                                   040 --- 060 ---  
QF 0400-2999                                                    
QF 0300-0399                                   090 --- 120 ---  
QF 5000-5999                                                    
QF 0400-2999                                   040 --- --- ---  
QF 0001-0199                                                    
QF 0400-2999                                   040 --- --- ---  
QF 0300-0399                                                    
QF 0400-2999                                   040 --- --- ---  
QF 0400-2999                                                    
QF 0400-2999                                   090 --- --- ---  
QF 5000-5999 
5000-5999                                   090 105 --- ---  
QF 0001-0199                                                    
QF 5000-5999                                   065 065 --- ---  
QF 0200-0299                                                    
QF 5000-5999                                   090 105 --- ---  
QF 0300-0399                                                    
QF 5000-5999                                   090 --- --- ---  
QF 5000-5999                                                    
QF                                             090 090 105 120  
QF 0200-0299                                                    
-ALL-                                          090 105 105 120  
QF 0200-0299                                                    
QF 0324                                        --- --- 090 090  
QF                                                              
QF 0200-0299                                   090 090 105 120  
QF                                                              
QF 0200-0299                                   090 105 105 120  
-ALL-                                                           
**END OF DISPLAY**
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Old Sep 15, 10, 9:19 pm
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Here is the GDS published MCT output for QF-QF connections at major airports in New Zealand, including exceptions for specific flight numbers:

DD = Domestic to Domestic
DI = Domestic to International
ID = International to Domestic
II = International to International

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: CHC/QF-QF]
Code:
                                               DD  DI  ID  II   
STANDARD:         CHC                          020 060 090 060  
QF-QF ONLINE      CHC                          030 060 075 ---  
EXCEPTIONS:                                                     
A/L FLT-NBR                                                     
QF 0045                                        --- --- 070 ---  
QF 2783                                                         
QF 0201                                        --- --- 095 ---  
QF 2783                                                         
QF 0205                                        --- --- 100 ---  
QF 2783                                                         
QF 0209                                        --- --- 085 ---  
QF 2783                                                         
QF                                             --- 105 --- 120  
QF 0200-0299                                                    
QF                                             090 --- 105 ---  
QF 4950-4999                                                    
-ALL-                                          --- 105 --- 120  
QF 0200-0299                                                    
-ALL-                                          090 --- 105 ---  
QF 4950-4999                                                    
QF 0200-0299                                   --- --- 105 12
0  
QF                                                              
QF 4950-4999                                   090 105 --- ---  
QF                                                              
-ALL-                                          045 060 --- ---  
QF                                                              
QF 0200-0299                                   --- --- 105 120  
-ALL-                                                           
QF 4950-4999                                   090 105 --- ---  
-ALL-                                                           
**END OF DISPLAY**
[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: AKL/QF-QF]
Code:
                                               DD  DI  ID  II   
STANDARD:         AKL                          020 075 090 055  
QF-QF ONLINE      AKL                          020 075 --- ---  
EXCEPTIONS:                                                     
A/L FLT-NBR         DEPARR                                      
QF 4950-4999                                   090 --- --- ---  
QF 4950-4999                                                    
QF                                             --- --- 120 ---  
QF 4950-4999                                                    
-ALL-                                          --- --- 120 ---  
QF 4950-4999                                                    
QF                                             --- --- 085 ---  
QF                     CHC                                      
QF                                             --- --- 075 ---  
QF                     WLG                                      
QF 4950-4999                                   --- 090 --- ---  
QF                                                              
-ALL-                                          045 --- --- 075  
QF                                                              
QF 0025                                        --- --- --- 120  
-ALL-                                                           
QF 4950-4999                                   --- 090 --- --
-  
-ALL-                                                           
QF                                             --- --- --- 075  
-ALL-                                                           
**END OF DISPLAY**
[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: WLG/QF-QF]
Code:
                                               DD  DI  ID  II   
STANDARD:         WLG                          030 075 090 090  
QF-QF ONLINE      WLG                          030 045 075 ---  
EXCEPTIONS:                                                     
A/L FLT-NBR                                                     
QF 4950-4999                                   090 --- --- ---  
QF 4950-4999                                                    
QF                                             --- --- 105 ---  
QF 4950-4999                                                    
-ALL-                                          --- --- 105 ---  
QF 4950-4999                                                    
QF 4950-4999                                   --- 105 --- ---  
QF                                                              
-ALL-                                          045 060 --- ---  
QF                                                              
QF 4950-4999                                   --- 105 --- ---  
-ALL-                                                           
QF                                             --- --- 060 ---  
-ALL-                                                           
**END OF DISPLAY**
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Old Sep 15, 10, 9:25 pm
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Originally Posted by number_6 View Post
elite status allows for shorter MCT sometimes.
Originally Posted by jrobin View Post
Anyone have further thoughts on this? QF PS? SG? WP?
Yes, the statement by number_6 has no merit. MCT is the MCT, and the airline GDS will prevent sale of a ticket where the connection times between flights do not provide for the minimum connection times between flights as specified in the system.

Elite status has no bearing on the MCT for a flight.

Originally Posted by jrobin View Post
Perhaps someone with access to a GDS can confirm whether the MCT for SYD and AKL listed above are correct for ticketing and whether MCT varies with elite status.
Covered in my two previous posts with the MCT values for AUS and NZ flights. Elite status does not alter the MCT.
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Old Sep 15, 10, 9:38 pm
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Many airlines will sell tickets which break the MCT to certain customers For most people the MCT is the MCT, however QF does for WP make some exceptions (ime). Other airlines do, too. The only time MCT is not flexible is for interline connections.
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Old Sep 16, 10, 7:48 pm
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From experience 90 minutes DI for BNE is not long enough. If you miss the train and have to wait 30 min for the next one you are stuffed! I would also say that there is no way you could make a 90 min ID connection in BNE without having an express pass. I picked someone up the other evening from the SQ flight and it took 90 minutes just to get through immigration and customs.

From that list it looks like MEL is the place to connect, shame QF has so few international flights from MEL.
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Old Sep 16, 10, 8:14 pm
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Originally Posted by nonce View Post
From experience 90 minutes DI for BNE is not long enough. ....
Bus has replaced the train at BNE some months ago; the train was too unreliable and erratic. Bus seems very reliable and seems like max transfer time between terminals is now 20 min at BNE, a huge improvement. Still landside, though (but security is very fast at BNE most of the time).
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Old Oct 30, 11, 3:04 pm
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We're flying on a QF award ticket in J SYD-BNE transferring to PX paid ticket onward to POM. We're booked to arrive BNE at 9:00 and depart at 11:00. Is 1:55 sufficient time to transfer domestic to international? Also, will QF check us in for the PX flight in Sydney and transfer our bags?

Incidentally, how is BNE on carry on restrictions? I'm traveling with a 20" roller but containing underwater photographic gear which will weigh more than 7 kg.
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Old Oct 30, 11, 3:18 pm
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Originally Posted by 25milesfromhome View Post
We're flying on a QF award ticket in J SYD-BNE transferring to PX paid ticket onward to POM. We're booked to arrive BNE at 9:00 and depart at 11:00. Is 1:55 sufficient time to transfer domestic to international? Also, will QF check us in for the PX flight in Sydney and transfer our bags?

Incidentally, how is BNE on carry on restrictions? I'm traveling with a 20" roller but containing underwater photographic gear which will weigh more than 7 kg.
I would say it is definitely too tight

Qantas will not check your bags through to the PX flight and you will need to collect bags in Brisbane, get to International and then check in with PX

They may weigh your hand luggage and I would recommend just checking the camera gear in
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Old Oct 30, 11, 6:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble View Post
I would say it is definitely too tight

Qantas will not check your bags through to the PX flight and you will need to collect bags in Brisbane, get to International and then check in with PX

They may weigh your hand luggage and I would recommend just checking the camera gear in
Would an extra half hour--arriving at 8:35--give us enough time?
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Old Oct 30, 11, 7:48 pm
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I think it is a brave person who books a reward flight followed by a paid ticket when there are little to no alternatives for same day travel to the onward destination. The last time I did SYD-BNE-POM but on a single ticket by the time I had transferred terminals and was at the gate the flight was on final call and I was being paged. That was with a 2.5 hr connection time.
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