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jrobin Sep 15, 10 5:59 pm

Australia/NZ Minimum Connect Times for Principal Airports
 
Is there consolidated MCT information or various airports in Australia/NZ somewhere (on the QF website or on a Flyertalk wiki)?
If so, I apologize but I have been unable to find it.

QF telephone agents seem more interested in communicating "safe" connect times. For example, I was told by a QF agent that at AKL I should allow 3 hours QF international to QF international. I also know that I have made 35 minute int-int connections when required by a late plane, so 3 hours just seemed a bit OTT. Then she asked if I was a "premier" member (Never heard that term before as a QFF.) and when I arbitrarily said "Yes." she said that 90 minutes would be fine. I still do not know what the actual minimum connect time is for ticketing. When I asked about non-QF international to QF-international, I was also given 90 minutes as a response.

If not, there should be a source of this information somewhere for Flyertalk folks to use. Air Tahiti Nui publish very helpful info for their customers, but I could not find the same with QF, nor do I have reliable information as to whether the same times apply to QF.

So, on the assumption there is not MCT info readily available for QF, to start off a table, here is what I have found for SYD, AKL and CNS:

Air Tahitinui's times, with QF agent-provided times in italics:
Can anyone confirm that some or all of these MCT apply to QF tickets?
Sydney Airport
- From Domestic Flight to Domestic Flight: 30 min
- From Domestic Flight to International Flight: 1h
- From International Flight to Domestic Flight: 1h15 (same as QF agent gave me for QFint-QFdom, shorter than the 90 min she gave for non-QFint-QFdom)
- From International Flight to International Flight: 1h
From http://www.airtahitinui-usa.com/airports/sydney.asp

Auckland Airport
NOTE: The times listed represent the absolute minimum connection times, but the times shown do not guarantee a connection. Due to regular airport congestion Air Tahiti Nui recommends adding at least 30 minutes to the guidelines below.
- International to International:
1 Hour 15 Minutes (QF agent gave me 90 minutes)
- International to Domestic:
1 Hour 30 Minutes
- Domestic to International:
1 Hour 15 Minutes
From http://www.airtahitinui-usa.com/airports/auckland.asp

Cairns Domestic to Domestic: QF Agent gave 60 minutes

og Sep 15, 10 6:32 pm

I'd be inclined to double all those figures for SYD.

Kiwi Flyer Sep 15, 10 7:03 pm

You do realise that there is no such thing as an airport MCT. Airlines have MCTs and can (and do) vary by all sorts of factors.

I'm bemused by TN (Air Tahiti Nui) having dom-dom MCTs at SYD given they don't even have passengers doing this connection on TN codeshares (even if the codeshares existed it would be cabotage and thus not allowed).

number_6 Sep 15, 10 7:16 pm

MCT is airline specific and rarely varies by airport; as you have found out, elite status allows for shorter MCT sometimes. QF publishes the MCT in the GDS used by agents, so that is the definitive source (I don't have access to that directly). I've seen QF pubs that specify domestic MCT of 60 min and international MCT of 120 min within Australia. My own experience is that those times are sufficient in normal conditions.

jrobin Sep 15, 10 9:13 pm


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 14664897)
You do realise that there is no such thing as an airport MCT. Airlines have MCTs and can (and do) vary by all sorts of factors...

Exactly. That is why the title is Minimum QF Connect Times. I am not especially interested in Air Tahiti Nui connect times. I just would like to know what MCT I can request to have ticketed and know that my bags and I will be looked after and eventually get to my destination if I miss the connection. I appreciate the risk on my part of being much later getting to my destination than I hoped.

Originally Posted by number_6 (Post 14664941)
MCT ... rarely varies by airport

Yet the times I have been given for AKL and SYD are quite different both for Air Tahiti Nui and for QF, according to an agent. Reasonably, at least to me, simpler terminals and easier transfers for people and baggage between International and Domestic should make a difference in the time needed for people and their baggage to make another flight.

Originally Posted by number_6 (Post 14664941)
...elite status allows for shorter MCT sometimes.

Anyone have further thoughts on this? QF PS? SG? WP?

Originally Posted by number_6 (Post 14664941)
QF publishes the MCT in the GDS used by agents, so that is the definitive source...

Perhaps someone with access to a GDS can confirm whether the MCT for SYD and AKL listed above are correct for ticketing and whether MCT varies with elite status.

thewinchester Sep 15, 10 9:17 pm

Here is the GDS published MCT output for QF-QF connections at major capital city airports in Australia, including exceptions for specific flight numbers:

DD = Domestic to Domestic
DI = Domestic to International
ID = International to Domestic
II = International to International

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: SYD/QF-QF]
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                                              DD  DI  ID  II 
STANDARD:        SYD                          030 060 075 060 
EXCEPTIONS:                                                   
A/L FLT-NBR      TR DEPARR                                     
QF 0501          3                            040 --- --- --- 
QF 2205          2                                             
QF 0372                                        --- --- 050 --- 
QF 0371                                                       
QF 0001-2999                                  --- 075 --- --- 
QF 0337                                                       
QF 5000-5999                                  --- 120 --- --- 
QF 0321                                                       
QF              1                            --- 075 --- --- 
QF 0301                                                       
QF              1                            --- 075 --- --- 
QF 0319                                                       
QF              2                            --- 090 --- --- 
QF 0301                                                       
QF              2                            --- 090 --- --- 
QF 0319                                                       
QF              3                            --- 090 --- --- 
QF 0301
QF              3                            --- 090 --- --- 
QF 0319                                                       
QF              3                            --- 075 --- --- 
QF 0367                                                       
QF                                            --- --- --- 075 
QF 0301                                                       
QF                                            --- --- --- 075 
QF 0319                                                       
QF                                            --- 090 --- --- 
QF 0321                                                       
QF                                            --- 120 --- --- 
QF 0375                                                       
-ALL-                                          --- 090 --- 090 
QF 0301                                                       
-ALL-                                          --- 090 --- 090 
QF 0319                                                       
QF 0200-0299    1                            --- 120 --- 120 
QF 0300-0399    1                                             
QF 0200-0299    1                            --- 120 --- --- 
QF 0340-0342    1
QF 0200-0299    1                            090 --- 135 --- 
QF 5000-5999    2                                             
QF 0300-0399    1                            --- --- 120 120 
QF 0200-0299    1                                             
QF 5000-5999    2                            090 120 --- --- 
QF 0200-0299    1                                             
QF 5000-5999    2                            --- 120 --- --- 
QF 0340-0342    1                                             
QF              1                            --- --- --- 060 
QF 0200-0299    1                                             
QF              1                            090 --- 135 --- 
QF 5000-5999    2                                             
QF              2                            --- 105 --- --- 
QF 0200-0299    1                                             
QF              2                            090 --- --- --- 
QF 5000-5999    2                                             
QF              3                            --- 090 --- --- 
QF 0200-0299    1                                             
QF              3                            090 --- --- --- 
QF 5000-5999    2

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                                              DD  DI  ID  II 
STANDARD:        MEL                          030 045 060 045 
EXCEPTIONS:                                                   
A/L FLT-NBR      TR DEPARR AREA                               
-ALL-                  MEL                    180 --- --- --- 
QF                  AVV                                       
QF 0266          2                            --- --- 090 --- 
QF 0266          2                                             
QF 0268          2                            --- --- 090 --- 
QF 0268          2                                             
QF 0670                                        --- SUP --- --- 
QF 0201                                                       
QF              2                            --- --- --- 120 
QF 0200-0299    2        US                                 
QF                                            --- 120 --- --- 
QF 0200-0299    2        US                                 
-ALL-                                          --- 120 --- 120 
QF 0200-0299    2        US                                 
QF 0200-0299    2                            --- --- 120 --- 
QF 5000-5999    1                                             
QF 5000-5999    1                            090 --- --- --- 
QF 5000-5999    1
QF              1                            --- 075 --- --- 
QF 0200-0299    2                                             
QF              1                            090 --- --- --- 
QF 5000-5999    1                                             
QF              2                            --- 060 --- 060 
QF 0200-0299    2                                             
QF              2                            090 --- 120 --- 
QF 5000-5999    1                                             
-ALL-            2                            090 --- 120 --- 
QF 5000-5999    1                                             
-ALL-            3                            090 --- --- --- 
QF 5000-5999    1                                             
-ALL-                                          090 105 120 120 
QF 0200-0299                                                   
QF 0200-0299    2                            --- --- 090 --- 
QF              1                                             
QF 5000-5999    1                            090 --- --- --- 
QF              1                                             
QF 5000-5999    1                            090 105 --- --- 
QF              2
QF              1                            040 --- --- --- 
QF              1                                             
QF              1                            060 075 --- --- 
QF              2                                             
QF              2                            060 --- 090 --- 
QF              1                                             
QF              2                            060 060 060 060 
QF              2                                             
-ALL-            2                            --- --- 090 --- 
QF              1                                             
-ALL-            2                            --- --- 090 060 
QF              2                                             
-ALL-            3                            080 --- --- --- 
QF              1                                             
-ALL-            3                            080 120 --- --- 
QF              2                                             
QF 0341-0344    2                            --- --- --- 120 
-ALL-            2                                             
QF 5000-5999    1                            090 105 --- --- 
-ALL-            2

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                                              DD  DI  ID  II 
STANDARD:        BNE                          030 090 090 050 
EXCEPTIONS:                                                   
A/L FLT-NBR      TR DEPARR                                     
QF 2511          D  MKY                        035 --- --- --- 
QF 0613          D    MEL                                     
QF 0600          D                            035 --- --- --- 
QF 2308          D                                             
QF 0600          D                            035 --- --- --- 
QF 2332          D                                             
QF 0604          D                            035 --- --- --- 
QF 2308          D                                             
QF 0604          D                            035 --- --- --- 
QF 2332          D                                             
QF 2517          D                            035 --- --- --- 
QF 2427          D                                             
QF 0400-2999    D                            --- --- 120 --- 
QF 0377          I                                             
QF 0356          I                            --- --- 120 --- 
QF 0400-2999    D                                             
QF 0378          I                            --- --- 120 --- 
QF 0400-2999    D
QF 0001-0199    I                            045 --- 060 045 
QF 0001-0199    I                                             
QF 0001-0199    I                            045 045 060 045 
QF 0300-0399    I                                             
QF 0001-0199    I                            075 --- --- --- 
QF 0400-2999    D                                             
QF 0001-0199    I                            090 --- 120 --- 
QF 5000-5999    D                                             
QF 0200-0299    I                            --- 060 060 --- 
QF 0200-0299    I                                             
QF 0200-0299    I                            --- 120 120 120 
QF 0300-0399    I                                             
QF 0200-0299    I                            --- --- 120 --- 
QF 5000-5999    D                                             
QF 0300-0399    I                            045 045 060 045 
QF 0001-0199    I                                             
QF 0300-0399    I                            --- 120 120 120 
QF 0200-0299    I                                             
QF 0300-0399    I                            045 045 060 045 
QF 0300-0399    I
QF 0300-0399    I                            075 --- --- --- 
QF 0400-2999    D                                             
QF 0300-0399    I                            090 --- 120 --- 
QF 5000-5999    D                                             
QF 0400-2999    D                            075 --- --- --- 
QF 0001-0199    I                                             
QF 0400-2999    D                            075 --- --- --- 
QF 0300-0399    I                                             
QF 0400-2999    D                            040 --- --- --- 
QF 0400-2999    D                                             
QF 0400-2999    D                            090 --- --- --- 
QF 5000-5999    D                                             
QF 5000-5999    D                            090 120 --- --- 
QF 0001-0199    I                                             
QF 5000-5999    D                            --- 120 --- --- 
QF 0200-0299    I                                             
QF 5000-5999    D                            090 --- --- --- 
QF 0300-0399    I                                             
QF 5000-5999    D                            090 --- --- --- 
QF 0400-2999    D

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STANDARD:        ADL                          030 080 080 060 
EXCEPTIONS:                                                   
A/L FLT-NBR        DEPARR                                     
-ALL-                  ADL                    180 180 180 --- 
QF                  XHX                                       
QF                    ADL                    180 180 180 --- 
-ALL-              XHX                                       
QF 0001-0399                                  060 --- --- --- 
QF 0001-0399                                                   
QF 0001-0399                                  090 --- --- --- 
QF 0400-2999                                                   
QF 0400-2999                                  060 --- --- --- 
QF 0001-0399                                                   
QF 0400-2999                                  040 --- --- --- 
QF 0400-2999                                                   
QF                                            090 --- --- --- 
QF 5000-5999                                                   
-ALL-                                          090 --- 150 --- 
QF 5000-5999                                                   
QF 5000-5999                                  090 --- --- --- 
QF
                                                           
QF 5000-5999                                  090 150 --- --- 
-ALL-                                                         
**END OF DISPLAY**

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: PER/QF-QF]
Code:

                                              DD  DI  ID  II 
STANDARD:        PER                          030 090 120 060 
EXCEPTIONS:                                                   
A/L FLT-NBR                                                   
QF 0064                                        --- --- 085 --- 
QF 0808                                                       
QF 0001-0399                                  060 --- --- --- 
QF 0001-0399                                                   
QF 0001-0399                                  090 --- 090 --- 
QF 0400-2999                                                   
QF 0400-2999                                  090 --- --- --- 
QF 0001-0399                                                   
QF 0400-2999                                  040 --- --- --- 
QF 0400-2999                                                   
QF                                            090 --- 150 --- 
QF 5000-5999                                                   
QF 5000-5999                                  --- 150 --- --- 
QF                                                             
**END OF DISPLAY**

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: DRW/QF-QF]
Code:

                                              DD  DI  ID  II 
STANDARD:        DRW                          030 040 075 040 
EXCEPTIONS:                                                   
A/L FLT-NBR        DEPARR                                     
-ALL-                  DRW                    180 180 180 --- 
QF                  XJG                                       
QF                    DRW                    180 180 180 --- 
-ALL-              XJG                                       
QF 0260                                        --- --- 090 --- 
QF 5074                                                       
QF 5073                                        --- 060 --- --- 
QF 0259                                                       
QF 5000-5999                                  090 105 --- --- 
QF 0323                                                       
QF                                            --- 060 --- 060 
QF 0323                                                       
QF 0324                                        090 --- 120 --- 
QF 5000-5999                                                   
QF 0001-0199                                  030 --- 040 050 
QF 0001-0199                                                   
QF 0001-0199                                  040 --- 060 --- 
QF 0400-2999
QF 0001-0199                                  090 --- 120 --- 
QF 5000-5999                                                   
QF 0200-0299                                  --- 065 090 --- 
QF 0200-0299                                                   
QF 0200-0299                                  --- --- 090 --- 
QF 5000-5999                                                   
QF 0300-0399                                  030 --- 040 050 
QF 0300-0399                                                   
QF 0300-0399                                  040 --- 060 --- 
QF 0400-2999                                                   
QF 0300-0399                                  090 --- 120 --- 
QF 5000-5999                                                   
QF 0400-2999                                  040 --- --- --- 
QF 0001-0199                                                   
QF 0400-2999                                  040 --- --- --- 
QF 0300-0399                                                   
QF 0400-2999                                  040 --- --- --- 
QF 0400-2999                                                   
QF 0400-2999                                  090 --- --- --- 
QF 5000-5999
5000-5999                                  090 105 --- --- 
QF 0001-0199                                                   
QF 5000-5999                                  065 065 --- --- 
QF 0200-0299                                                   
QF 5000-5999                                  090 105 --- --- 
QF 0300-0399                                                   
QF 5000-5999                                  090 --- --- --- 
QF 5000-5999                                                   
QF                                            090 090 105 120 
QF 0200-0299                                                   
-ALL-                                          090 105 105 120 
QF 0200-0299                                                   
QF 0324                                        --- --- 090 090 
QF                                                             
QF 0200-0299                                  090 090 105 120 
QF                                                             
QF 0200-0299                                  090 105 105 120 
-ALL-                                                         
**END OF DISPLAY**


thewinchester Sep 15, 10 9:19 pm

Here is the GDS published MCT output for QF-QF connections at major airports in New Zealand, including exceptions for specific flight numbers:

DD = Domestic to Domestic
DI = Domestic to International
ID = International to Domestic
II = International to International

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: CHC/QF-QF]
Code:

                                              DD  DI  ID  II 
STANDARD:        CHC                          020 060 090 060 
QF-QF ONLINE      CHC                          030 060 075 --- 
EXCEPTIONS:                                                   
A/L FLT-NBR                                                   
QF 0045                                        --- --- 070 --- 
QF 2783                                                       
QF 0201                                        --- --- 095 --- 
QF 2783                                                       
QF 0205                                        --- --- 100 --- 
QF 2783                                                       
QF 0209                                        --- --- 085 --- 
QF 2783                                                       
QF                                            --- 105 --- 120 
QF 0200-0299                                                   
QF                                            090 --- 105 --- 
QF 4950-4999                                                   
-ALL-                                          --- 105 --- 120 
QF 0200-0299                                                   
-ALL-                                          090 --- 105 --- 
QF 4950-4999                                                   
QF 0200-0299                                  --- --- 105 12

QF                                                             
QF 4950-4999                                  090 105 --- --- 
QF                                                             
-ALL-                                          045 060 --- --- 
QF                                                             
QF 0200-0299                                  --- --- 105 120 
-ALL-                                                         
QF 4950-4999                                  090 105 --- --- 
-ALL-                                                         
**END OF DISPLAY**

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: AKL/QF-QF]
Code:

                                              DD  DI  ID  II 
STANDARD:        AKL                          020 075 090 055 
QF-QF ONLINE      AKL                          020 075 --- --- 
EXCEPTIONS:                                                   
A/L FLT-NBR        DEPARR                                     
QF 4950-4999                                  090 --- --- --- 
QF 4950-4999                                                   
QF                                            --- --- 120 --- 
QF 4950-4999                                                   
-ALL-                                          --- --- 120 --- 
QF 4950-4999                                                   
QF                                            --- --- 085 --- 
QF                    CHC                                     
QF                                            --- --- 075 --- 
QF                    WLG                                     
QF 4950-4999                                  --- 090 --- --- 
QF                                                             
-ALL-                                          045 --- --- 075 
QF                                                             
QF 0025                                        --- --- --- 120 
-ALL-                                                         
QF 4950-4999                                  --- 090 --- --

-ALL-                                                         
QF                                            --- --- --- 075 
-ALL-                                                         
**END OF DISPLAY**

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: WLG/QF-QF]
Code:

                                              DD  DI  ID  II 
STANDARD:        WLG                          030 075 090 090 
QF-QF ONLINE      WLG                          030 045 075 --- 
EXCEPTIONS:                                                   
A/L FLT-NBR                                                   
QF 4950-4999                                  090 --- --- --- 
QF 4950-4999                                                   
QF                                            --- --- 105 --- 
QF 4950-4999                                                   
-ALL-                                          --- --- 105 --- 
QF 4950-4999                                                   
QF 4950-4999                                  --- 105 --- --- 
QF                                                             
-ALL-                                          045 060 --- --- 
QF                                                             
QF 4950-4999                                  --- 105 --- --- 
-ALL-                                                         
QF                                            --- --- 060 --- 
-ALL-                                                         
**END OF DISPLAY**


thewinchester Sep 15, 10 9:25 pm


Originally Posted by number_6 (Post 14664941)
elite status allows for shorter MCT sometimes.


Originally Posted by jrobin (Post 14665427)
Anyone have further thoughts on this? QF PS? SG? WP?

Yes, the statement by number_6 has no merit. MCT is the MCT, and the airline GDS will prevent sale of a ticket where the connection times between flights do not provide for the minimum connection times between flights as specified in the system.

Elite status has no bearing on the MCT for a flight.


Originally Posted by jrobin (Post 14665427)
Perhaps someone with access to a GDS can confirm whether the MCT for SYD and AKL listed above are correct for ticketing and whether MCT varies with elite status.

Covered in my two previous posts with the MCT values for AUS and NZ flights. Elite status does not alter the MCT.

number_6 Sep 15, 10 9:38 pm

Many airlines will sell tickets which break the MCT to certain customers :) For most people the MCT is the MCT, however QF does for WP make some exceptions (ime). Other airlines do, too. The only time MCT is not flexible is for interline connections.

nonce Sep 16, 10 7:48 pm

From experience 90 minutes DI for BNE is not long enough. If you miss the train and have to wait 30 min for the next one you are stuffed! I would also say that there is no way you could make a 90 min ID connection in BNE without having an express pass. I picked someone up the other evening from the SQ flight and it took 90 minutes just to get through immigration and customs.

From that list it looks like MEL is the place to connect, shame QF has so few international flights from MEL.

number_6 Sep 16, 10 8:14 pm


Originally Posted by nonce (Post 14673691)
From experience 90 minutes DI for BNE is not long enough. ....

Bus has replaced the train at BNE some months ago; the train was too unreliable and erratic. Bus seems very reliable and seems like max transfer time between terminals is now 20 min at BNE, a huge improvement. Still landside, though (but security is very fast at BNE most of the time).

25milesfromhome Oct 30, 11 3:04 pm

We're flying on a QF award ticket in J SYD-BNE transferring to PX paid ticket onward to POM. We're booked to arrive BNE at 9:00 and depart at 11:00. Is 1:55 sufficient time to transfer domestic to international? Also, will QF check us in for the PX flight in Sydney and transfer our bags?

Incidentally, how is BNE on carry on restrictions? I'm traveling with a 20" roller but containing underwater photographic gear which will weigh more than 7 kg.

Dave Noble Oct 30, 11 3:18 pm


Originally Posted by 25milesfromhome (Post 17361770)
We're flying on a QF award ticket in J SYD-BNE transferring to PX paid ticket onward to POM. We're booked to arrive BNE at 9:00 and depart at 11:00. Is 1:55 sufficient time to transfer domestic to international? Also, will QF check us in for the PX flight in Sydney and transfer our bags?

Incidentally, how is BNE on carry on restrictions? I'm traveling with a 20" roller but containing underwater photographic gear which will weigh more than 7 kg.

I would say it is definitely too tight

Qantas will not check your bags through to the PX flight and you will need to collect bags in Brisbane, get to International and then check in with PX

They may weigh your hand luggage and I would recommend just checking the camera gear in

25milesfromhome Oct 30, 11 6:39 pm


Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 17361826)
I would say it is definitely too tight

Qantas will not check your bags through to the PX flight and you will need to collect bags in Brisbane, get to International and then check in with PX

They may weigh your hand luggage and I would recommend just checking the camera gear in

Would an extra half hour--arriving at 8:35--give us enough time?

nonce Oct 30, 11 7:48 pm

I think it is a brave person who books a reward flight followed by a paid ticket when there are little to no alternatives for same day travel to the onward destination. The last time I did SYD-BNE-POM but on a single ticket by the time I had transferred terminals and was at the gate the flight was on final call and I was being paged. That was with a 2.5 hr connection time.

Boraxo Oct 30, 11 7:49 pm


Originally Posted by number_6 (Post 14664941)
MCT is airline specific and rarely varies by airport; as you have found out, elite status allows for shorter MCT sometimes. QF publishes the MCT in the GDS used by agents, so that is the definitive source (I don't have access to that directly). I've seen QF pubs that specify domestic MCT of 60 min and international MCT of 120 min within Australia. My own experience is that those times are sufficient in normal conditions.

That matches my limited experience.


Originally Posted by thewinchester (Post 14665486)
Elite status has no bearing on the MCT for a flight.

That is true as a technical matter - MCT is published for flights.

However as a practical matter your cabin and elite status may be an important factor in determining whether you can make a short connection particularly when your initial flight is delayed. For example, business and first class passengers disembark first and receive preferential treatment at SYD immigration (and maybe other locations?) So someone flying business class and transiting from international arrival to domestic departure at SYD has a much better chance of making a short connection than someone in the cattle car.

MCT is not a guarantee and doesn't help you if you miss your connection (though presumably passengers who comply with MCT will have no trouble being accommodated on missed connections, particularly when flying the same airline through).

Dave Noble Oct 30, 11 9:50 pm


Originally Posted by Boraxo (Post 17362871)

MCT is not a guarantee and doesn't help you if you miss your connection (though presumably passengers who comply with MCT will have no trouble being accommodated on missed connections, particularly when flying the same airline through).

It is only a connection if it is on the same ticket. If on the same ticket and miss the flight, then the airline is obligated to get you to the onward destination. If on different tickets, then you just become a now show for the onward flight and may be subject to any penalties for no show

Anything that an airline does beyond that is purely at their generosity


Originally Posted by 25milesfromhome
Would an extra half hour--arriving at 8:35--give us enough time?

I think that it is still too close for a separate booking. There is no amount of time that can be a guarantee of meeting the connection , but 2.5 hours would sill be far too close for comfort for me

25milesfromhome Jan 13, 12 3:24 pm

Ended up taking the earlier flight arriving at 8:00, so three hours connection time. As it worked out, the very helpful ticket agent in Sydney interlined our bags to PX, so we had more than enough time. Had we had to collect bags in BNE, three hours would have been barely sufficient.

ps107 Jan 15, 12 12:12 am

I have also had QF interline PX on separate tickets. Strangely, the one time they were unable to interline was when I had the flights on the same ticket and was even on the QF codeshare part of the PX leg.

Wongo Jan 20, 12 9:14 am

Rather then start something new... the topic is the same..
I have a booking on awards on CX for C class from HKG-AKL on waitlest but it just seems like mission impossible 20... so need back up plans..
I need to be flying from HKG-ZQN via SYD... the only problem is QF128-QF121 is 55mins.... just miss the legal connection limit by 5mins... Will QF agents let me book this? Such a pain in the butt if they rejected my request... sigh..
Am I out of luck?
Cheers in advance...

Dave Noble Jan 20, 12 11:49 am

Ifit is not a legal connection, they will not allow it to be booked

Wongo Jan 20, 12 11:53 am


Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 17852569)
Ifit is not a legal connection, they will not allow it to be booked

Cheers Dave... No way to cheat it? Dam... Looks like have to have other plans... sigh.. cos it all started here... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/catha...d-success.html
Looking into award options of CX or QF from HKG-AKL but really need to be in ZQN... but getting to AKL with 1hr 20min sprint from getting off to Domestic... a wake up call time to get my new NZ new passport as well... The beep test of 10 should be ok to push luggage and run from Int-Dom in 10mins :o

Globaliser Jan 20, 12 12:21 pm


Originally Posted by Wongo (Post 17852615)
No way to cheat it?

I suspect that the only way is to do it on two separate tickets. But then you incur a whole new pile of risk arising out of a misconnect, if it happens.

Wongo Jan 20, 12 12:26 pm


Originally Posted by Globaliser (Post 17852815)
I suspect that the only way is to do it on two separate tickets. But then you incur a whole new pile of risk arising out of a misconnect, if it happens.

In truth.. thought of it... reality.. if I try to check it in all the way HKG-AKL... chances are they will still refused to check me all the way... unless I travel with no luggage then I might still have to count my lucky stars....

Globaliser Jan 20, 12 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by Wongo (Post 17852834)
... reality.. if I try to check it in all the way HKG-AKL... chances are they will still refused to check me all the way...

Checked luggage is definitely not a good idea if you're trying to gamble on making an illegal connection!

Wongo Jan 20, 12 12:34 pm


Originally Posted by Globaliser (Post 17852857)
Checked luggage is definitely not a good idea if you're trying to gamble on making an illegal connection!

Back to drawing board... what to do with 260k QF or 140K AM... :mad: without wasting it on routes you don't really need... arg

amit1978 Jan 20, 12 1:08 pm

Connection time at MEL
 
Am flying int MEL from SIN on QF0010. The flight arrives at 6.30 am and I need to connect to a flight to SYD. They have suggested I go for the 8.30am flight. Is this enough time to connect and can I check my bags through (Qantas themselves are not sure??)
Thanks

Dave Noble Jan 20, 12 1:16 pm


Originally Posted by amit1978 (Post 17853092)
Am flying int MEL from SIN on QF0010. The flight arrives at 6.30 am and I need to connect to a flight to SYD. They have suggested I go for the 8.30am flight. Is this enough time to connect and can I check my bags through (Qantas themselves are not sure??)
Thanks

Sounds quite legal; if you are delayed, they will just put you on the next flight

Given how frequent flights are between Sydney and Melbourne , I wouldn't be worried

Globaliser Jan 20, 12 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by amit1978 (Post 17853092)
... can I check my bags through (Qantas themselves are not sure??)

If you're flying SIN-MEL-SYD and the MEL-SYD flight is domestic (ie operates between the domestic terminals), then you'll have to clear immigration, collect your bags and clear customs at MEL anyway before going to drop the bags at the domestic terminal. But as the "terminals" are all in one contiguous building, that's not nearly as much of a problem as an international -> domestic connection at (say) SYD.

ps107 Jan 21, 12 3:55 pm

What's MCT for CNS international to domestic QF to QF? The flight I want leaves an hour after arrival but doesn't appear to be allowed. It would be unfortunate if it's not allowed as I tend to get through CNS in less than 15 minutes even with checked bags.

serfty Jan 22, 12 3:22 am

Do you have EF/KVS subscription(s)?

The info is available there.

Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Code:

Connecting Cities:
Connecting at CNS
Flight type International to Domestic

STANDARD.D/D...D/I...I/D...I/I.
ONLINE    .30  1.00  1.15  1.00
OFFLINE  .30  1.00  1.15  1.00
** OR * ARE ALL
QF-QF ID  1.00 FLT  242 - FLT  246
QF-QF ID  1.00 FLT  250 - FLT  246
QF-QF ID  1.20 FLT  250 - FLT 2503
QF-QF ID SUP  FLT  132 - FLT  271
QF-QF ID  .40 FLT    1 -  199 - FLT    1 -  199
QF-QF ID  .40 FLT    1 -  199 - FLT  300 -  399
QF-QF ID  1.15 FLT    1 -  299 - FLT  200 -  299
QF-QF ID  1.15 FLT  200 -  299 - FLT    1 -  199
QF-QF ID  2.00 FLT  200 -  299 - FLT  300 -  399
QF-QF ID  1.45 FLT  200 -  299 - FLT  400 - 2999
QF-QF ID  .40 FLT  300 -  399 - FLT    1 -  199
QF-QF ID  2.00 FLT  300 -  399 - FLT  200 -  299
QF-QF ID  .40 FLT  300 -  399 - FLT  300 -  399
JQ-JQ ID  1.00 FLT  26 - FLT  24
JQ-JQ ID  1.45 ALL  - FLT 6000 - 6999
JQ-JQ ID  1.15 TRM I  - I 
JQ-JQ ID  2.00
NZ-NZ ID  2.00 FLT    1 - 1999 - FLT 7000 - 7899
NZ-NZ ID  2.00 FLT 7900 - 7998 - FLT 7000 - 7899
UA-UA ID SUP  FLT 6749 - 6828 - FLT 6849 - 6888
CX-QF ID SUP  FLT  103 - FLT  355
JQ-QF ID  1.20 FLT  26 - FLT 2503
JQ-QF ID  1.15 FLT    1 -  399 - FLT    1 -  299
JQ-QF ID  2.00 FLT    1 -  399 - FLT  300 -  399
JQ-QF ID  1.10 ALL  - FLT    1 -  299 TRM I  - **
JQ-QF ID  1.10 ALL  - FLT  200 -  299 TRM I  - **
JQ-QF ID  1.45 ALL  - FLT  400 - 2999
**-DJ ID  2.00
**-JQ ID  2.00
**-QF ID  2.00 ALL  - FLT  200 -  299
**-QF ID  2.00 ALL  - FLT 5000 - 5999
JQ-** ID  2.00
QF-** ID  2.00 FLT  200 -  299 - ALL 
QF-** ID  2.00 FLT 5000 - 5999 - ALL


ps107 Feb 13, 12 3:28 pm

Thanks. Looks like I was a victim of Sydney daylight savings. Would've still been plenty of time - my preferred flight was called about 20 minutes after I got to the domestic lounge, and that included the holdup from the transfer desk being unattended for 10+ minutes after I arrived.

clarkeysntfc Dec 30, 15 12:50 pm

Hi Everyone - due to Cathay changing their schedule the CX103 now arrives in Cairns at 06.30 which is some 2 hours later than originally planned. We are connecting to Hamilton Island at 08.00 with Qantas, hold luggage will be involved (marked priority due to J class international flights).

Any opinions on whether this is a risky connection are appreciated. We are nervous due to there being only one HTI flight per day.

Dave Noble Dec 30, 15 1:26 pm


Originally Posted by clarkeysntfc (Post 25936805)
Hi Everyone - due to Cathay changing their schedule the CX103 now arrives in Cairns at 06.30 which is some 2 hours later than originally planned. We are connecting to Hamilton Island at 08.00 with Qantas, hold luggage will be involved (marked priority due to J class international flights).

Any opinions on whether this is a risky connection are appreciated. We are nervous due to there being only one HTI flight per day.

It's a valid connection. MCT in CNS for CX-QF is 75 minutes so is permissible. Assuming you are on a through ticket and not separate tickets you are protected

Getting from the international arrivals to domestic departures in Cairns is quite quick and easy

If that is the only flight to HTI, then not much choice on what you do, but would not expect 2 hours to be a problem. I would expect that you should be clear of customs well within 45 minutes and be at check in not much after that. even that then leaves 45 mins to get to check in and check in for flight

DownUnderFlyer Dec 30, 15 3:01 pm

[mod hat] As this is not just about QF I am moving this to the right forum. [/mod hat]

rufflesinc Jan 3, 17 3:38 am

How does I-I connection at BNE work? I will be in ZQN and need to get to BNE for 00:55 flight to HKG on CX. Virgin Australia has Flight 119 arriving 11:05pm , which would be fantastic, allowing for a full day of skiing.

Is that enough time to do the II connection on two seperate tix? Do I have to clear AU immigration? Get bags? Change terminals? I assume I would have to get bags on separate tickets unless Virgin Australia will interline to CX or BNE has provisions to allow CX to get the bags for me? If it matters, BNE-HKG is J award, ZQN-BNE in Y unless I find a way to get cheap business award.

Kiwi Flyer Jan 3, 17 6:19 am


Originally Posted by rufflesinc (Post 27696296)
How does I-I connection at BNE work? I will be in ZQN and need to get to BNE for 00:55 flight to HKG on CX. Virgin Australia has Flight 119 arriving 11:05pm , which would be fantastic, allowing for a full day of skiing.

Is that enough time to do the II connection on two seperate tix? Do I have to clear AU immigration? Get bags? Change terminals? I assume I would have to get bags on separate tickets unless Virgin Australia will interline to CX or BNE has provisions to allow CX to get the bags for me? If it matters, BNE-HKG is J award, ZQN-BNE in Y unless I find a way to get cheap business award.

There is only one international terminal.

On separate tickets with checked bags you will need to clear immigration, pick up bags, clear customs and then check in - all before check in closes for the onward flight.

By the way, minimum connection times do not apply for separate tickets - all the risk of a misconnect is on you, not the airlines.

number_6 Jan 3, 17 6:26 am

Another consideration is that ZQN is a difficult airport (due to terrain and weather) so lots of delayed flights from there. Even if on time it is a tight connection given that checkin for CX generally closes at 60 min for J, so 50 min from arrival to clearing customs (I've had it take 20 min to taxi to gate and open the doors at BNE, which would cut it down to 30 min). Don't forget you need ETA or visa for Oz. For award tickets this is pretty high risk.

rufflesinc Jan 3, 17 6:47 am

Ouch! I'm connecting to ord in cx F so it looks like I'll have to cut the skiing by a day and spend a day in bne.

rufflesinc Jan 11, 17 12:25 pm


Originally Posted by number_6 (Post 27696796)
Even if on time it is a tight connection given that checkin for CX generally closes at 60 min for J, so 50 min from arrival to clearing customs (I've had it take 20 min to taxi to gate and open the doors at BNE, which would cut it down to 30 min).

CX website says 40 mins for BNE, does that extra 20 mins make a difference? :D


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