Australia/NZ Minimum Connect Times for Principal Airports
Is there consolidated MCT information or various airports in Australia/NZ somewhere (on the QF website or on a Flyertalk wiki)?
If so, I apologize but I have been unable to find it. QF telephone agents seem more interested in communicating "safe" connect times. For example, I was told by a QF agent that at AKL I should allow 3 hours QF international to QF international. I also know that I have made 35 minute int-int connections when required by a late plane, so 3 hours just seemed a bit OTT. Then she asked if I was a "premier" member (Never heard that term before as a QFF.) and when I arbitrarily said "Yes." she said that 90 minutes would be fine. I still do not know what the actual minimum connect time is for ticketing. When I asked about non-QF international to QF-international, I was also given 90 minutes as a response. If not, there should be a source of this information somewhere for Flyertalk folks to use. Air Tahiti Nui publish very helpful info for their customers, but I could not find the same with QF, nor do I have reliable information as to whether the same times apply to QF. So, on the assumption there is not MCT info readily available for QF, to start off a table, here is what I have found for SYD, AKL and CNS: Air Tahitinui's times, with QF agent-provided times in italics: Can anyone confirm that some or all of these MCT apply to QF tickets? Sydney Airport - From Domestic Flight to Domestic Flight: 30 min - From Domestic Flight to International Flight: 1h - From International Flight to Domestic Flight: 1h15 (same as QF agent gave me for QFint-QFdom, shorter than the 90 min she gave for non-QFint-QFdom) - From International Flight to International Flight: 1h From http://www.airtahitinui-usa.com/airports/sydney.asp Auckland Airport NOTE: The times listed represent the absolute minimum connection times, but the times shown do not guarantee a connection. Due to regular airport congestion Air Tahiti Nui recommends adding at least 30 minutes to the guidelines below. - International to International: 1 Hour 15 Minutes (QF agent gave me 90 minutes) - International to Domestic: 1 Hour 30 Minutes - Domestic to International: 1 Hour 15 Minutes From http://www.airtahitinui-usa.com/airports/auckland.asp Cairns Domestic to Domestic: QF Agent gave 60 minutes |
I'd be inclined to double all those figures for SYD.
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You do realise that there is no such thing as an airport MCT. Airlines have MCTs and can (and do) vary by all sorts of factors.
I'm bemused by TN (Air Tahiti Nui) having dom-dom MCTs at SYD given they don't even have passengers doing this connection on TN codeshares (even if the codeshares existed it would be cabotage and thus not allowed). |
MCT is airline specific and rarely varies by airport; as you have found out, elite status allows for shorter MCT sometimes. QF publishes the MCT in the GDS used by agents, so that is the definitive source (I don't have access to that directly). I've seen QF pubs that specify domestic MCT of 60 min and international MCT of 120 min within Australia. My own experience is that those times are sufficient in normal conditions.
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Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
(Post 14664897)
You do realise that there is no such thing as an airport MCT. Airlines have MCTs and can (and do) vary by all sorts of factors...
Originally Posted by number_6
(Post 14664941)
MCT ... rarely varies by airport
Originally Posted by number_6
(Post 14664941)
...elite status allows for shorter MCT sometimes.
Originally Posted by number_6
(Post 14664941)
QF publishes the MCT in the GDS used by agents, so that is the definitive source...
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Here is the GDS published MCT output for QF-QF connections at major capital city airports in Australia, including exceptions for specific flight numbers:
DD = Domestic to Domestic DI = Domestic to International ID = International to Domestic II = International to International [KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: SYD/QF-QF] Code:
DD DI ID II Code:
DD DI ID II Code:
DD DI ID II Code:
DD DI ID II Code:
DD DI ID II Code:
DD DI ID II |
Here is the GDS published MCT output for QF-QF connections at major airports in New Zealand, including exceptions for specific flight numbers:
DD = Domestic to Domestic DI = Domestic to International ID = International to Domestic II = International to International [KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: CHC/QF-QF] Code:
DD DI ID II Code:
DD DI ID II Code:
DD DI ID II |
Originally Posted by number_6
(Post 14664941)
elite status allows for shorter MCT sometimes.
Originally Posted by jrobin
(Post 14665427)
Anyone have further thoughts on this? QF PS? SG? WP?
Elite status has no bearing on the MCT for a flight.
Originally Posted by jrobin
(Post 14665427)
Perhaps someone with access to a GDS can confirm whether the MCT for SYD and AKL listed above are correct for ticketing and whether MCT varies with elite status.
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Many airlines will sell tickets which break the MCT to certain customers :) For most people the MCT is the MCT, however QF does for WP make some exceptions (ime). Other airlines do, too. The only time MCT is not flexible is for interline connections.
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From experience 90 minutes DI for BNE is not long enough. If you miss the train and have to wait 30 min for the next one you are stuffed! I would also say that there is no way you could make a 90 min ID connection in BNE without having an express pass. I picked someone up the other evening from the SQ flight and it took 90 minutes just to get through immigration and customs.
From that list it looks like MEL is the place to connect, shame QF has so few international flights from MEL. |
Originally Posted by nonce
(Post 14673691)
From experience 90 minutes DI for BNE is not long enough. ....
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We're flying on a QF award ticket in J SYD-BNE transferring to PX paid ticket onward to POM. We're booked to arrive BNE at 9:00 and depart at 11:00. Is 1:55 sufficient time to transfer domestic to international? Also, will QF check us in for the PX flight in Sydney and transfer our bags?
Incidentally, how is BNE on carry on restrictions? I'm traveling with a 20" roller but containing underwater photographic gear which will weigh more than 7 kg. |
Originally Posted by 25milesfromhome
(Post 17361770)
We're flying on a QF award ticket in J SYD-BNE transferring to PX paid ticket onward to POM. We're booked to arrive BNE at 9:00 and depart at 11:00. Is 1:55 sufficient time to transfer domestic to international? Also, will QF check us in for the PX flight in Sydney and transfer our bags?
Incidentally, how is BNE on carry on restrictions? I'm traveling with a 20" roller but containing underwater photographic gear which will weigh more than 7 kg. Qantas will not check your bags through to the PX flight and you will need to collect bags in Brisbane, get to International and then check in with PX They may weigh your hand luggage and I would recommend just checking the camera gear in |
Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 17361826)
I would say it is definitely too tight
Qantas will not check your bags through to the PX flight and you will need to collect bags in Brisbane, get to International and then check in with PX They may weigh your hand luggage and I would recommend just checking the camera gear in |
I think it is a brave person who books a reward flight followed by a paid ticket when there are little to no alternatives for same day travel to the onward destination. The last time I did SYD-BNE-POM but on a single ticket by the time I had transferred terminals and was at the gate the flight was on final call and I was being paged. That was with a 2.5 hr connection time.
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Originally Posted by number_6
(Post 14664941)
MCT is airline specific and rarely varies by airport; as you have found out, elite status allows for shorter MCT sometimes. QF publishes the MCT in the GDS used by agents, so that is the definitive source (I don't have access to that directly). I've seen QF pubs that specify domestic MCT of 60 min and international MCT of 120 min within Australia. My own experience is that those times are sufficient in normal conditions.
Originally Posted by thewinchester
(Post 14665486)
Elite status has no bearing on the MCT for a flight.
However as a practical matter your cabin and elite status may be an important factor in determining whether you can make a short connection particularly when your initial flight is delayed. For example, business and first class passengers disembark first and receive preferential treatment at SYD immigration (and maybe other locations?) So someone flying business class and transiting from international arrival to domestic departure at SYD has a much better chance of making a short connection than someone in the cattle car. MCT is not a guarantee and doesn't help you if you miss your connection (though presumably passengers who comply with MCT will have no trouble being accommodated on missed connections, particularly when flying the same airline through). |
Originally Posted by Boraxo
(Post 17362871)
MCT is not a guarantee and doesn't help you if you miss your connection (though presumably passengers who comply with MCT will have no trouble being accommodated on missed connections, particularly when flying the same airline through). Anything that an airline does beyond that is purely at their generosity
Originally Posted by 25milesfromhome
Would an extra half hour--arriving at 8:35--give us enough time?
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Ended up taking the earlier flight arriving at 8:00, so three hours connection time. As it worked out, the very helpful ticket agent in Sydney interlined our bags to PX, so we had more than enough time. Had we had to collect bags in BNE, three hours would have been barely sufficient.
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I have also had QF interline PX on separate tickets. Strangely, the one time they were unable to interline was when I had the flights on the same ticket and was even on the QF codeshare part of the PX leg.
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Rather then start something new... the topic is the same..
I have a booking on awards on CX for C class from HKG-AKL on waitlest but it just seems like mission impossible 20... so need back up plans.. I need to be flying from HKG-ZQN via SYD... the only problem is QF128-QF121 is 55mins.... just miss the legal connection limit by 5mins... Will QF agents let me book this? Such a pain in the butt if they rejected my request... sigh.. Am I out of luck? Cheers in advance... |
Ifit is not a legal connection, they will not allow it to be booked
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 17852569)
Ifit is not a legal connection, they will not allow it to be booked
Looking into award options of CX or QF from HKG-AKL but really need to be in ZQN... but getting to AKL with 1hr 20min sprint from getting off to Domestic... a wake up call time to get my new NZ new passport as well... The beep test of 10 should be ok to push luggage and run from Int-Dom in 10mins :o |
Originally Posted by Wongo
(Post 17852615)
No way to cheat it?
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Originally Posted by Globaliser
(Post 17852815)
I suspect that the only way is to do it on two separate tickets. But then you incur a whole new pile of risk arising out of a misconnect, if it happens.
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Originally Posted by Wongo
(Post 17852834)
... reality.. if I try to check it in all the way HKG-AKL... chances are they will still refused to check me all the way...
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Originally Posted by Globaliser
(Post 17852857)
Checked luggage is definitely not a good idea if you're trying to gamble on making an illegal connection!
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Connection time at MEL
Am flying int MEL from SIN on QF0010. The flight arrives at 6.30 am and I need to connect to a flight to SYD. They have suggested I go for the 8.30am flight. Is this enough time to connect and can I check my bags through (Qantas themselves are not sure??)
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Originally Posted by amit1978
(Post 17853092)
Am flying int MEL from SIN on QF0010. The flight arrives at 6.30 am and I need to connect to a flight to SYD. They have suggested I go for the 8.30am flight. Is this enough time to connect and can I check my bags through (Qantas themselves are not sure??)
Thanks Given how frequent flights are between Sydney and Melbourne , I wouldn't be worried |
Originally Posted by amit1978
(Post 17853092)
... can I check my bags through (Qantas themselves are not sure??)
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What's MCT for CNS international to domestic QF to QF? The flight I want leaves an hour after arrival but doesn't appear to be allowed. It would be unfortunate if it's not allowed as I tend to get through CNS in less than 15 minutes even with checked bags.
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Do you have EF/KVS subscription(s)?
The info is available there. Results from ExpertFlyer.com Code:
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Thanks. Looks like I was a victim of Sydney daylight savings. Would've still been plenty of time - my preferred flight was called about 20 minutes after I got to the domestic lounge, and that included the holdup from the transfer desk being unattended for 10+ minutes after I arrived.
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Hi Everyone - due to Cathay changing their schedule the CX103 now arrives in Cairns at 06.30 which is some 2 hours later than originally planned. We are connecting to Hamilton Island at 08.00 with Qantas, hold luggage will be involved (marked priority due to J class international flights).
Any opinions on whether this is a risky connection are appreciated. We are nervous due to there being only one HTI flight per day. |
Originally Posted by clarkeysntfc
(Post 25936805)
Hi Everyone - due to Cathay changing their schedule the CX103 now arrives in Cairns at 06.30 which is some 2 hours later than originally planned. We are connecting to Hamilton Island at 08.00 with Qantas, hold luggage will be involved (marked priority due to J class international flights).
Any opinions on whether this is a risky connection are appreciated. We are nervous due to there being only one HTI flight per day. Getting from the international arrivals to domestic departures in Cairns is quite quick and easy If that is the only flight to HTI, then not much choice on what you do, but would not expect 2 hours to be a problem. I would expect that you should be clear of customs well within 45 minutes and be at check in not much after that. even that then leaves 45 mins to get to check in and check in for flight |
[mod hat] As this is not just about QF I am moving this to the right forum. [/mod hat]
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How does I-I connection at BNE work? I will be in ZQN and need to get to BNE for 00:55 flight to HKG on CX. Virgin Australia has Flight 119 arriving 11:05pm , which would be fantastic, allowing for a full day of skiing.
Is that enough time to do the II connection on two seperate tix? Do I have to clear AU immigration? Get bags? Change terminals? I assume I would have to get bags on separate tickets unless Virgin Australia will interline to CX or BNE has provisions to allow CX to get the bags for me? If it matters, BNE-HKG is J award, ZQN-BNE in Y unless I find a way to get cheap business award. |
Originally Posted by rufflesinc
(Post 27696296)
How does I-I connection at BNE work? I will be in ZQN and need to get to BNE for 00:55 flight to HKG on CX. Virgin Australia has Flight 119 arriving 11:05pm , which would be fantastic, allowing for a full day of skiing.
Is that enough time to do the II connection on two seperate tix? Do I have to clear AU immigration? Get bags? Change terminals? I assume I would have to get bags on separate tickets unless Virgin Australia will interline to CX or BNE has provisions to allow CX to get the bags for me? If it matters, BNE-HKG is J award, ZQN-BNE in Y unless I find a way to get cheap business award. On separate tickets with checked bags you will need to clear immigration, pick up bags, clear customs and then check in - all before check in closes for the onward flight. By the way, minimum connection times do not apply for separate tickets - all the risk of a misconnect is on you, not the airlines. |
Another consideration is that ZQN is a difficult airport (due to terrain and weather) so lots of delayed flights from there. Even if on time it is a tight connection given that checkin for CX generally closes at 60 min for J, so 50 min from arrival to clearing customs (I've had it take 20 min to taxi to gate and open the doors at BNE, which would cut it down to 30 min). Don't forget you need ETA or visa for Oz. For award tickets this is pretty high risk.
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Ouch! I'm connecting to ord in cx F so it looks like I'll have to cut the skiing by a day and spend a day in bne.
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Originally Posted by number_6
(Post 27696796)
Even if on time it is a tight connection given that checkin for CX generally closes at 60 min for J, so 50 min from arrival to clearing customs (I've had it take 20 min to taxi to gate and open the doors at BNE, which would cut it down to 30 min).
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