AF business awards- recent trend, they are gone, gone, gone
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AF business awards- recent trend, they are gone, gone, gone
I am wondering if others have been as frustrated as me on the recent nearly complete zeroing out of premium cabin awards on AF?
I am not just talking from a couple of anecdotal experiences, I have a ton of experience on SEA-CDG as well as the onward CDG-India flights. Even during the prior economic boom it was pretty easy to find my wife an award to map to my paid flights (the India flights were surprisingly easy). I used to have a rough sense of what I could find if I looked out a few months (mainly midweek) vs last minute (where I could find tons of options). Where the J/C/I booking classes were all 9's, things were often open in the award class. Often AF availability would disappear from the online search tool, but could still be booked by calling. Now, there is nothing, even with the flights showing 9's across classes on the day before departure.
I am curious, is anyone finding ANY AF premium awards? Is this something that others corelate with the DL merger or is this just a result of AF closing down availability?
I am not just talking from a couple of anecdotal experiences, I have a ton of experience on SEA-CDG as well as the onward CDG-India flights. Even during the prior economic boom it was pretty easy to find my wife an award to map to my paid flights (the India flights were surprisingly easy). I used to have a rough sense of what I could find if I looked out a few months (mainly midweek) vs last minute (where I could find tons of options). Where the J/C/I booking classes were all 9's, things were often open in the award class. Often AF availability would disappear from the online search tool, but could still be booked by calling. Now, there is nothing, even with the flights showing 9's across classes on the day before departure.
I am curious, is anyone finding ANY AF premium awards? Is this something that others corelate with the DL merger or is this just a result of AF closing down availability?
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AF is one of the airlines with full visibility to ExpertFlyer. Just checking one week, one sees 2 seats in J SEA-CDG 9/27/09. No anecdotes needed.
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Well my searching for next summer has had some AF options but these are just for simple US-Europe trips. I've not called to actually book them but can find availability on isolated point to point searches selecting AF as the only partner.
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In June I was able to snag 3 biz award seats MXP-CDG-DTW for the return flights of a trip to Europe for next May 2010. It was the best option that fit our scheduling needs on the return (not too early of a flight from MXP) and had availability.
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I'll be on AF awards over Thanksgiving.
Hey, it's not like the summer when Delta just said no we won't be allowing members to book AF thank you very much!
Hey, it's not like the summer when Delta just said no we won't be allowing members to book AF thank you very much!
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With the drop in Biz travel in general, have people been noticing an increase in close-in availability in Business class? If not, that would be rather telling... either they're holding back or bucking world-wide trends.
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Speaking as someone who is currently shopping for flights to Europe, India, and South Africa, I can report that Air France has excellent O availability for all three next summer. Generally 9's for the Indian and South African flights, 2s and 3s for the CONUS flights. Far better than my *A options.
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I book quite a few AF awards with DL miles, and never heard of that. Sure, I sometimes spend an afternoon on the phone with DL, but I've always been able to get any available AF flight with DL miles. Please provide more details.
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You just haven't been at it long enough. I assure you Gary knows of what he speaks. It was several years ago now, I don't remember which year. Perhaps you didn't know we could even book First (and Concorde!) on AF back then, too?
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I Had Some Flexibility Earlier This Year
I wanted to go to the UK for a long weekend; I found an itinerary on AF that met my needs, 2 days before the day I wanted to travel outbound; it was available for 80k in Y, 100k in J. The routing was IAD-CDG-NCL and return.
Full fare J on this route was $10.8k; I got a ticket for $214 and 100,000 miles.
Full fare J on this route was $10.8k; I got a ticket for $214 and 100,000 miles.
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Erasmus-- I used to agree with you, AF used to be amazing all months for CDG to India, but at least for the 4 months I was looking for 2 tickets things were bleak. For *A, I tend to find really good luck with the MUC-DEL and MUC-BOM flights (there is almost always an F seat on these) for north India and the FRA-MAA flight for the south. Indeed that is likely what we are going to use for these next two trips.
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I got an AF biz saver award LAX-CDG a few weeks ago, but only for the outbound and only with a connection (and a 5-hour layover!) in DTW. Coming home, the best I could do was AF CDG-IAH/CO IAH-LAX, both in coach. With the trip coming up in less than 2 weeks, I'm haunting nwa.com, hoping for a biz return--or at least a nonstop coach return. No joy so far, but coach seems to be opening up on the nonstops at about the 2 week mark.
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with 2x daily flights LAX-CDG, it not too hard to score J tix and pretty easy to score Y tix. Helps to call, as nwa.com isn't as good after Dultification.