MSP to lose NRT route???
Was talking to a friend of the family who's a FA and does a lot of MSP-NRT. They indicated that they have been advised to make plans to base out of ATL or DTW late 2010 - early 2011.
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I'll believe it when I see it. MSP-NRT isn't the only route that is staffed by the MSP base. Sounds like something taken out of context or somebody being waaaaay melodramatic about the merger.
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Originally Posted by azj
(Post 12303161)
I'll believe it when I see it. MSP-NRT isn't the only route that is staffed by the MSP base. Sounds like something taken out of context or somebody being waaaaay melodramatic about the merger.
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Originally Posted by motytrah
(Post 12303152)
Was talking to a friend of the family who's a FA and does a lot of MSP-NRT. They indicated that they have been advised to make plans to base out of ATL or DTW late 2010 - early 2011.
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This flight has always been quite full when I have been on it, in both WBC and coach. I have been told by a manager at NW that it has always been consistently one of the most profitable flights from MSP.
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Originally Posted by NWA_5479
(Post 12303363)
This flight has always been quite full when I have been on it, in both WBC and coach. I have been told by a manager at NW that it has always been consistently one of the most profitable flights from MSP.
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Motyrah -
I guess I misinterpreted your post. Ok... perhaps what will happen some day is a re-gaging of the route. In other words... take the 744 off and replace it with a 777. Until SOC (single operating certificate) that would indeed involve using pre merger DL FAs on the route. However, with SOC expected by the end of the year and a resolution to the AFA issue, it is likely that nothing but a change of a/c will occur. Let's not let one interpretation of a comment be the cause for threats to leave NWA/DL and to make broad assumptions with regard to the network! This is DL after all... what they do this hour is likely to change by the end of the day.:D |
Originally Posted by azj
(Post 12303501)
what they do this hour is likely to change by the end of the day.:D
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True... but when you see them putting all their eggs in one basket (LGA/JFK) to be the biggest there, one does have to wonder...
Originally Posted by azj
(Post 12303501)
Let's not let one interpretation of a comment be the cause for threats to leave NWA/DL and to make broad assumptions with regard to the network! This is DL after all... what they do this hour is likely to change by the end of the day.:D
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redtailshark said it all in another thread, the beancounters care about the SE US (ATL).
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I wouldn't read too much into the activities in NYC. The build-up of LGA doesn't mean they're going to ignore the rest of the network. There are plenty of planes and people to go around without killing a hub to make LGA happen.
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Originally Posted by azj
(Post 12303793)
I wouldn't read too much into the activities in NYC. The build-up of LGA doesn't mean they're going to ignore the rest of the network. There are plenty of planes and people to go around without killing a hub to make LGA happen.
The current set of behaviors and decisions by DL management is eerily similar. MSPers, be prepared to be STL-ized over the next few years. Good luck, you will need it. Maybe you will get lucky and WN will expand greatly at MSP just as they have at STL over the years to fill the domestic void. |
it'll be a sad day when the cities lose the only non-stop to asia. i'll no longer be a nw/dl elite. if i have to make a connection, why would i pay delta for their inferior product when the choices abound.
wait.. i'll still be a lifetime silver. darn. |
Originally Posted by azj
I wouldn't read too much into the activities in NYC. There are plenty of planes and people to go around without killing a hub......
Back on point, if DL can not take advantage of the Asia routes in a consistent manner then long term survival is in question. |
Originally Posted by drsan
(Post 12306774)
You are correct, but this is DL. AA did the same thing to STL; there were certainly plenty of planes and people to go around when they acquired TW. AA, however, did indeed kill a hub, mostly to make consolidation at ORD and DFW happen.
AA bought TWA's assets in early 2001 and maintained nearly all of TWA's network until November, 2003, when AA downsized the hub in the face of staggering losses. That was just months after AA avoided filing for bankruptcy. Nevertheless, AA remains a very large presence at STL compared to any other legacy airline.
Originally Posted by drsan
(Post 12306774)
MSPers, be prepared to be STL-ized over the next few years. Good luck, you will need it. Maybe you will get lucky and WN will expand greatly at MSP just as they have at STL over the years to fill the domestic void.
I don't see MSP being "STLd" given the much larger metropolitan area of MSP. The hubs that have been de-hubbed have tended to be much smaller metros, like PIT, IND, BNA, RDU and DAY (as well as STL). SJC (de-hubbed by AA twice) is much larger but is essentially the Bay area's ONT - it will never rival SFO (like ONT will never rival LAX). MSP is the only big airport in the entire region - and it will remain an important hub and international gateway, IMO. |
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