DTW to Australia in 2 segments?

 
Old Jan 22, 09, 6:30 am
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DTW to Australia in 2 segments?

Looking to fly DTW to Australia in two segments, on Skyteam. Easy enough... DTW-LAX-SYD.

Now the challenge... how to get back, from an Australian city other then SYD.

There's no DTW-HNL non-stop, which adds to the challenge.

Any Australia-Japan on Skyteam?

Here's some help... return from New Zealand is ok.

Anyone?
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Old Jan 22, 09, 6:47 am
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Two segments? No

Three segments? Something like ...

TN = AKL/SYD-PPT-LAX-DTW or AKL/SYD-PPT-NRT-DTW
KE = AKL/SYD-ICN-NRT-DTW or AKL/SYD-ICN-ORD-DTW
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Old Jan 22, 09, 6:59 am
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NW and the whole Skyteam network is not strong in the Australia department.

Your best bet in my mind is KE.
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Old Jan 22, 09, 7:07 am
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Originally Posted by aSiAnRiCk View Post
Two segments? No

Three segments? Something like ...

TN = AKL/SYD-PPT-LAX-DTW or AKL/SYD-PPT-NRT-DTW
KE = AKL/SYD-ICN-NRT-DTW or AKL/SYD-ICN-ORD-DTW
OK, looks like 2-seg is out... and it looks like that adds about 4000 miles to the trip (literally!).

How's KE with Business Saver redemptions?

Looks like that continent might require a UA experience, depending on redemption availability.

Thanks to all!!!
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Old Jan 22, 09, 9:11 am
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Originally Posted by aSiAnRiCk View Post
TN = AKL/SYD-PPT-LAX-DTW or AKL/SYD-PPT-NRT-DTW
TN is out of the SYD market from March -- they claim they'll resume in October, but who knows -- so that's one less option for you.

Your homebound options are as follows:

DL SYD-LAX-DTW
HA SYD-HNL-XXX-DTW
KE SYD/BNE/MEL/AKL-ICN-XXX-DTW
MH SYD/MEL/BNE/ADL/PER/AKL-KUL-TPE-LAX-DTW or SYD/MEL/ BNE/ADL/PER/AKL-KUL-ARN-EWR-DTW
TN AKL-PPT-LAX-DTW
MU SYD/MEL-PVG-LAX/YVR

KE blackout dates are pretty restrictive, especially in the northern hemisphere summer, but business class availability is not bad -- I have actually scored three seats on one flight. They use 772s to Oceania and it's only a 28-seat J cabin. MH frequencies to the US are being cut back (3x/wk to LAX, 2x/wk to EWR). I have found MH award availability from Australia stations to KUL to be pretty good, but it's difficult to get home from KUL. Air Tahiti Nui availability is pretty good -- you can check for I class seats on ExpertFlyer -- but they're in terrible financial shape and not a sure bet for sticking around. Can't tell you a thing about China Eastern except that big blackout periods always make them a non-starter for me.

The other strategy is to mix metal and use KE or MH to get to ICN or NRT and then try for NW/DL metal home from there. Neither NW nor DL serve KUL.

It's a very tough ticket I'm afraid.

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Old Jan 22, 09, 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by BearX220 View Post
KE SYD/BNE/MEL/AKL-ICN-XXX-DTW

KE blackout dates are pretty restrictive, especially in the northern hemisphere summer, but business class availability is not bad -- I have actually scored three seats on one flight. They use 772s to Oceania and it's only a 28-seat J cabin.

It's a very tough ticket I'm afraid.
A post I'm defintely going to save, thanks!

As I'd probably go in the northern hemisphere winter, that should get around that issue. It sounds that a good choice would be KE. I take it we can't book into F, correct?
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theres not many direct options from the US-down under to begin with. This is not a skyteam problem.(while it is at the bottom of the list out of the three major alliances).but is a problem in general. I thought the open skies agreement would bring more flights?
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Originally Posted by aaron1262 View Post
theres not many direct options from the US-down under to begin with. This is not a skyteam problem... but is a problem in general.
I think it actually is almost entirely a Skyteam problem. You have three choices for nonstop LAX-Australia: UA, QF, and VA. None are Skyteam (although DL is scheduled to open LAX-SYD on 1 July). Open Skies will soon have four nonstop entrants duking it out on LAX-SYD.

For one-stop service you can choose HA via HNL, CX via HKG, TG via BKK, JL via NRT, NZ via AKL, FJ via Fiji, OZ or KE via ICN, or MU via PVG. If you're willing to make more than one stop or connection there's CO, SQ, MH, EK and I don't know how many more. Of all the above, only KE is Skyteam. (CO heading for *A soon enough.)

Coverage is great, IMO, by Star or OW. Just not by this alliance.

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Old Jan 22, 09, 3:51 pm
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Sort of ironic, isn't it? If visiting Hong Kong or Australia, it almost makes more sense to do this via UA, with all those 747 non-stops. And those F suites.... wow!
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How's KE with Business Saver redemptions?
Outside their blackout dates, I find them pretty easy, both in J & Y.
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CZ has a few Australia route to CAN, then you can do CAN-NRT-DTW, or PVG/PEK-NRT-DTW
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Old Jan 22, 09, 10:09 pm
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Originally Posted by jing_canada View Post
CZ has a few Australia route to CAN, then you can do CAN-NRT-DTW, or PVG/PEK-NRT-DTW
I took CZ two years ago and the memories still come to haunt me (even US didn't do that to me). Perhaps they have improved, although CZ is the only airline to have currently managed to do all of these in a single flight:

-Have a crew which didn't speak English (fair enough, same thing on Air China)
-Board on time but leave 3 hours late, no explanation.
-Land in Tianjin instead of PEK-Beijing (thank god for Chinese people on the plane speaking English who could explain to me the rare updates as to when we were going to eventually reach PEK).
-People standing up whilst takeoff/landing, cabin crew not caring at all.

Now maybe that isn't a typical flight, but still Chinese airlines aren't there yet. IMHO, from what I saw back then it was a recipe for disaster which whenever it happens won't surprise me.
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