1/2/09 NW E-mail: Transfer Miles NW<->DL, New Award Fees, Sat Night Stay Elim, Etc
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I think it is important to distinguish between industry-wide trends and program-specific changes. Close-in fees are an example of industry-wide trends. Of course, the close-in fees may be cause for abandoning the game entirely, but switching to another carrier doesn't really do much for you.
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I leave it to you to figure out that which the informed figured out quite some time before in order to help those who wanted to avoid the DL/DL-NW kool-aid and "close-in fees" for award tickets.
Think free date changes and beyond the DL pom-pom team of SkyTeam.
#34
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I am sounding like a broken record but..
DL and NW are taking the worst of each airline and making that the standard. A race to the bottom. How sad.
Yes, the elimination of Saturday night stay is nice. But last-minute (is 20 days before departure really "last minute"?) fees are a joke. Fortunately I will be exempt but that is not the point.
This airline needs to be put on the scrap heap - and that includes DL.
DL and NW are taking the worst of each airline and making that the standard. A race to the bottom. How sad.
Yes, the elimination of Saturday night stay is nice. But last-minute (is 20 days before departure really "last minute"?) fees are a joke. Fortunately I will be exempt but that is not the point.
This airline needs to be put on the scrap heap - and that includes DL.
#35
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NW members ought to be able to enjoy their WP miles right up until the forced merger of these programs on the terms under which they were earned, without DL's crappy ''enhancements''. DL is screwing WP members by jumping the gun on this garbage.
Maybe they should have said ''Merry Christmas from the gringes at DL''
Maybe they should have said ''Merry Christmas from the gringes at DL''
#36
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Is this structure more look like Continental???? NW/DL miles worth less and less. It's time to quit flying and redeem all the miles before 1/15
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They have already announced a 12-15% reduction in schedule across the board. Granted this is a capacity reduction so there are theoretically less flyer's but I believe the flyer's who are left will all be Plats or Golds thus diluting the available seats...this is so ugly.
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Have fun finding somebody that doesn't charge fees for near-term tickets.
I think it is important to distinguish between industry-wide trends and program-specific changes. Close-in fees are an example of industry-wide trends. Of course, the close-in fees may be cause for abandoning the game entirely, but switching to another carrier doesn't really do much for you.
I think it is important to distinguish between industry-wide trends and program-specific changes. Close-in fees are an example of industry-wide trends. Of course, the close-in fees may be cause for abandoning the game entirely, but switching to another carrier doesn't really do much for you.
Besides, DL mgmt had a chance to prove that they were the best in the industry, not just another carrier, a mere lemming following other lemmings. They could have made a bold statement to their pax and the general flying public that their fees were lower than other carriers. They refused to do so, and in fact went the other way - higher fees than many other carriers - and are thus part of the problem, not the solution. Supposedly, DL absorbed NW to become the best/biggest carrier around, offering pax great business value out of the consolidation and its inherent economies of scale, and attracting net new customers. So much for that. DL is now behaving as the biggest carrier, to be sure, much in the fashion of the biggest bully in school, daring anyone to fight back.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
#39
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Aa looks a lot better for me
I guess I will now try to accumulate most of miles on AA as they still have a offseason award to South america for 30,000 miles TO PERU. I usaully book 2 award trips there each year for my wife baby and me total of 90,000 miles versus 135,000 now for lowest NW/DL award. So burn burn up all my Wordperks and skymiles ASAP snf I was Plat on both but no will no longer be
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#40
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And...
Also effective January 15, 2009, Northwest will introduce a new award ticket redemption fee and will increase our award reissue and redeposit fees from $50 to $100.
Award Ticket Redemption Timeframes
(WorldPerks Platinum Elites are exempt from this fee) Award Ticket Fees
3 days or less prior to departure date $150 per ticket
4 - 7 days prior to departure date $100 per ticket
8 - 20 days prior to departure date $75 per ticket
21 days or more prior to departure date No Charge
Award Ticket Redemption Timeframes
(WorldPerks Platinum Elites are exempt from this fee) Award Ticket Fees
3 days or less prior to departure date $150 per ticket
4 - 7 days prior to departure date $100 per ticket
8 - 20 days prior to departure date $75 per ticket
21 days or more prior to departure date No Charge
-A
#41
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i just hope they fix this so everyone (including customers) will be happy in the end
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How many PerkSaver awards will this really affect? To get availability, surely most FFs will book well in advance. I see this as affecting more the "gotta go tomorrow" PerkPass usage.
And while one can argue that this devalues the program overall, it actually increases the value of attaining PE, as that will eliminate the fees for the FF.
And while one can argue that this devalues the program overall, it actually increases the value of attaining PE, as that will eliminate the fees for the FF.
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How many PerkSaver awards will this really affect? To get availability, surely most FFs will book well in advance. I see this as affecting more the "gotta go tomorrow" PerkPass usage.
And while one can argue that this devalues the program overall, it actually increases the value of attaining PE, as that will eliminate the fees for the FF.
And while one can argue that this devalues the program overall, it actually increases the value of attaining PE, as that will eliminate the fees for the FF.
-21 days is not last minute, in fact I have found far more PS seats inside a week than far in advance. I don't think I have ever booked an award outside a month,
This is absolutely a devaluation and when coupled with the swollen ranks that will be competing for 12-15% less seats this will only get worse.
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DL is planning to transfer even more "consumer surplus" value away from consumers and into its own hands by further devaluing SkyMiles+WorldPerks miles. This will be done by way of the adjusted award pricing chart(s) and the three-tier award chart which is going to hit and hit hard this year. For example, DL's strategy is to gravitate ever more "loyalty" program account members into the standard domestic continental 48 US award tickets priced at 40,000 miles + fees, where potential DL-NW revenue-enhancement fees on a continental 48 US award ticket with DL-NW miles could reach $200 before taxes and airport fees -- so that is DL charging customers 40k miles + potentially $200 in fees for a domestic coach award ticket.