NW FA alleges PE, GEs bolting already...
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NW FA alleges PE, GEs bolting already...
Was just about finished 70 to DTW and had a chat with an FA while they cleaned up on the upper deck. Told her about how my travels averaged around 5 RTs and such. She asked if I was going to stay on with NW after the merger and I had honestly told her that I did not think about the question but maybe. She says, "Really? You'd be one in a few. Lots of people like you have already bolted for other airlines." I ask her why and she says, "Not a lot of people have faith in Delta, and that everybody knows that this will not work out for WP members." (THIS IS NOT VERBATIM WHAT SHE SAID, AND I WILL LEAVE OUT NAMES/DATES AND SUCH)
So maybe she was cynical or just jaded. But is there any truth in what she said?
(Also, she had said a lot of the PE/GEs were bolting for CO, UA )
So maybe she was cynical or just jaded. But is there any truth in what she said?
(Also, she had said a lot of the PE/GEs were bolting for CO, UA )
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I am not at all surprised. DL, along with US, is leading the race to the bottom in destroying the value in its ff program. I am one of those who will be bolting, probably to CO. I bailed out of DL in the past, back in the reign of terror of Robbie Borden (see www.saveskymiles.com ) and have absolutely no intension of going back. I am also trying to use up my WP miles before they turn into a pumpkin by being devalued into DL SkyPiles. Just burned another 50K today.
I will likely fly NW for a while but put the miles on CO, as long as I can get my elite bonus. I like the NW TATL product (which I am sure DL will screw up). Once NW is folded into DL or CO formally joins another alliance, that will end.
I will likely fly NW for a while but put the miles on CO, as long as I can get my elite bonus. I like the NW TATL product (which I am sure DL will screw up). Once NW is folded into DL or CO formally joins another alliance, that will end.
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Opinions vary from person to person, FA to FA. I don't know of any evidence that supports the theory that elites are leaving in droves. While anything is possible I haven't seen anything that supports that. Most of the 757 flights I work are full of plats/golds/silvers in FC and MC, plus a sprinkling of DL AF CO elites usually in coach.
I usually talk to the people (usually elites) sitting opposite me is the 757 exit row and not one has mentioned anything about bolting.
I usually talk to the people (usually elites) sitting opposite me is the 757 exit row and not one has mentioned anything about bolting.
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I think it's premature to bolt. I want to see the structure of the FF program, hear of any "incentives" to stay and of course fly several times to see the quality of service and upgrade percentages. As crappy as SkyMiles is, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt until things unfold.
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I'd take it with a grain of salt. An FA on NRT-DTW a couple years ago was convinced that NW was going to get rid of the WP program.
We would have bolted for UA ourselves this year, but UA is sinking so fast the rocks can't keep up with it.
Which is off to a good start with the designation of Jeff Robertson as VP of loyalty programs.
I agree exept that I'd reword that last sentence: As crappy as SkyMiles is, with UA tanking out & CO departing for *A, our options have been seriously curtailed.
More recently WN promises a new domestic option for MSP-based flyers.
We would have bolted for UA ourselves this year, but UA is sinking so fast the rocks can't keep up with it.
Which is off to a good start with the designation of Jeff Robertson as VP of loyalty programs.
I think it's premature to bolt. I want to see the structure of the FF program, hear of any "incentives" to stay and of course fly several times to see the quality of service and upgrade percentages. As crappy as SkyMiles is, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt until things unfold.
More recently WN promises a new domestic option for MSP-based flyers.
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Good!
More upgrades for the survivors.
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It's great that there have been a variety of opinions on this matter ^
Mrs. mjcewl had debated herself whether or not to do a status match on NW (she herself is a CO Gold), but now with the impending merger and her disdain for DL, she is holding off and rather now, trying to persuade me to get status matched on CO.
I think it would be slightly presumptious to bolt for CO since we really haven't heard much about what might happen with DL.
I'm sorry MikeMpls but I'll never take WN for as long as I fly. I was never big on the absolutely-no-frills-whatsoever experience.
Mrs. mjcewl had debated herself whether or not to do a status match on NW (she herself is a CO Gold), but now with the impending merger and her disdain for DL, she is holding off and rather now, trying to persuade me to get status matched on CO.
I think it would be slightly presumptious to bolt for CO since we really haven't heard much about what might happen with DL.
I'm sorry MikeMpls but I'll never take WN for as long as I fly. I was never big on the absolutely-no-frills-whatsoever experience.
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Yes. Coach seats upholstered in leather, 32" seat pitch in coach, new narrowbody aircraft, two free checked bags, a free snack, and friendly flight attendants are things that that veteran NW flyers just sneer at.
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I would not particularly get concerned about ffs bolting for other airlines. There are not really that many places to go anymore, and the grass really isn't any greener. There are probably as many bolting from other programs to this one as bolting from this one to others.
As a New York based Worldperks member with lots of miles, I am torn about the Delta merger. Delta's program is worse, but they fly a lot more places from New York, which will give me more destinations.
As a New York based Worldperks member with lots of miles, I am torn about the Delta merger. Delta's program is worse, but they fly a lot more places from New York, which will give me more destinations.
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The rugby scrum for a decent seat was kind of fun when I was in my 20s. Not so much anymore....
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Was just about finished 70 to DTW and had a chat with an FA while they cleaned up on the upper deck. Told her about how my travels averaged around 5 RTs and such. She asked if I was going to stay on with NW after the merger and I had honestly told her that I did not think about the question but maybe. She says, "Really? You'd be one in a few. Lots of people like you have already bolted for other airlines." I ask her why and she says, "Not a lot of people have faith in Delta, and that everybody knows that this will not work out for WP members." (THIS IS NOT VERBATIM WHAT SHE SAID, AND I WILL LEAVE OUT NAMES/DATES AND SUCH)
So maybe she was cynical or just jaded. But is there any truth in what she said?
(Also, she had said a lot of the PE/GEs were bolting for CO, UA )
So maybe she was cynical or just jaded. But is there any truth in what she said?
(Also, she had said a lot of the PE/GEs were bolting for CO, UA )