Northwest Airlines Announces New Nonstop Service between Seattle and Beijing
#76
Join Date: Oct 2006
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SEA - anywhere for NW is just good news for me, though I'll be really thrilled if it's SEA-SIN-SYD.
#77
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Steve B.
#78
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I think KIX makes the most sense. Righ now the only way from the west coast to KIX is via HNL, which is out of the way. SEA-KIX (along with the AS codeshares) wiill allow NW to compete more effectively against UA for west coast KIX bound traffic.
#79
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Can NW use 5th freedom to do a SEA-KIX-china or SEA-NGO-china bypassing NRT and slot limits perhaps using some of their soon to be dormant frieghter (using belly space for some cargo and passengers on main deck) authorities out of china to Japan and onward to Sea, or, would they need seperate and new authority similar to a Conus - China nonstop?
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#80
Join Date: Nov 2002
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However, NW can go into a market and haul as much cargo as possible in the belly instead of in dedicated 742 cargo, and put some passengers on the route to suppliment the cargo while developing the route, overtime, shift the balance from a cargo flight suplimented with passengers, to a route that sustains its self on passenger suplimented with cargo.
For example if an A332 can depart with 180 passengers (75% full) with an average of 1 bag at 50lbs each (a big assumption), thats 4.5 Tons, leaving about 11.5 Tons of avaiable cargo capacity based on wieght as opposed to space. A scenario could be 450 items wieging 50lbs each that fit into some number of LD containers, at a rate of $100 per item, that's $45,000 in revenue oppourity plus what ever can generated from main deck passengers as an example.
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#82
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#83
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Can't see any kind of real market to MNL
#84
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SEA-MNL n/s is too far for A332 or A333. And route is surely not starting with a NW 747-400.
#85
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Many routes have been cut by other carriers at KIX, the latest announcement being AC's YVR-KIX ending in October. Maybe enough has been cut that NW sees an opportunity.
Now that NW will be starting DTW-PVG next year, maybe they'll move NRT-PVG to SEA-PVG. This would be similar to UA's strategy with a west coast-PVG nonstop along with a midwest-PVG nonstop.
#86
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Precisely, NW can use their 5th freedom rights assuming slot availability anywhere in Japan in theory using NGO, KIX or even HND. However what's not clear is what authority does NW need or already have (e.g. those that have been used for cargo) to use to go into China or elsewhere. If NW has the rights from China to Japan and onto the Conus however NRT is slot constrained, then NW could use their 5th freedom to coordinate (e.g. NGO or KIX) flights on a smaller scale than NRT, well, at least in theory that's the concept.
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Help me out if I'm wrong....
#87
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Not to be pedantic, but....Filipino is spelled with an "F" and one "p".
#89
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The secrecy is killing me!
Why can't the police raid the place.
I want to know!
We should riot!
KIX is fine. Even KIX-MEL is ok.
NW did fly to Melbourne via Japan and a same flight number to the US before.
The suspense is killing me!
Why can't the police raid the place.
I want to know!
We should riot!
KIX is fine. Even KIX-MEL is ok.
NW did fly to Melbourne via Japan and a same flight number to the US before.
The suspense is killing me!
Last edited by thezipper; May 8, 2008 at 4:18 pm Reason: consecutive posts by OP
#90
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Must be somewhere it already flies to. Else the preparation at the destination, if it is a new one would have been announced by the eager destination airport.