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Link to preprint
Here's a link to the abstract. From this page you can also download the submitted version of the paper (in various formats).
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Originally Posted by ed1
(Post 9354002)
Especially easy when they use door 2 which, IIRC, DL usually does on the 763s and 752s at TPA.
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I think if you want to incorporate any complex boarding scheme, such as back windows first, back aisles next, middle windows, middle aisles, front windows, front aisles... you would have to implement a Zone system. Unlike some airlines, you would probably want several zones, not just three or four. They also need to print the zone in huge type. People have no clue what's on their boarding pass, and certainly have no clue about window versus aisle seats.
A zone system lets the computer determine the order, rather than the passenger try to determine their order based on what the GA announces. It also creates consistency for the GA as well... one thinks the "back" of the plane is row 20 and above, another row 18, another row 15... all over the board. |
Originally Posted by MikeMpls
(Post 9353843)
Delta's "DC9 equivalents" are the MD-88 (142 seats) and MD-90 (150) seats, both of which are larger than any NW DC-9.
Was on a full DL 767-300 (250 seats) ex TPA this morning that was boarded & pushed back in 35 minutes. |
Originally Posted by ed1
(Post 9351613)
I've been saying for a long time that after the elite boarding, they should start with the window pax and those seated in the same row traveling with them, which would keep the aisle pax from blocking the aisle while the window and center pax get settled.
There's still nothing like get the plane boarded quick or miss your flight to motivate the pax. |
Originally Posted by sbagdon
(Post 9354571)
Well... since we're mostly Elites here on FT, when boarding from 2L, loading Y becomes such an irrelevant discussion... ;)
Steve B. |
Originally Posted by cs19
(Post 9355900)
I think if you want to incorporate any complex boarding scheme, such as back windows first, back aisles next, middle windows, middle aisles, front windows, front aisles... you would have to implement a Zone system. Unlike some airlines, you would probably want several zones, not just three or four. They also need to print the zone in huge type. People have no clue what's on their boarding pass, and certainly have no clue about window versus aisle seats.
A zone system lets the computer determine the order, rather than the passenger try to determine their order based on what the GA announces. It also creates consistency for the GA as well... one thinks the "back" of the plane is row 20 and above, another row 18, another row 15... all over the board. |
Originally Posted by pragakhan
(Post 9353823)
The problem with NWA is because they general board, everyone gets in line once things they pick up the mic.
When I don't snag the UG the next best thing is getting on early and making sure I don't have to play the 'find an open overhead bin' game, especially in the cold months in the midwest when everyone has these massive coats that they so carefully spread all the way out in the bins. I did notice that they are now telling people not to put coats in the overheads until everyone with carry on bags has had a chance to stow them, but then you run into the 'everybody but me' rule; you know, that announcement pertains to everyone but me! |
Originally Posted by cs19
(Post 9355900)
I think if you want to incorporate any complex boarding scheme, such as back windows first, back aisles next, middle windows, middle aisles, front windows, front aisles... you would have to implement a Zone system. Unlike some airlines, you would probably want several zones, not just three or four. They also need to print the zone in huge type. People have no clue what's on their boarding pass, and certainly have no clue about window versus aisle seats.
A zone system lets the computer determine the order, rather than the passenger try to determine their order based on what the GA announces. It also creates consistency for the GA as well... one thinks the "back" of the plane is row 20 and above, another row 18, another row 15... all over the board. |
The agent in Lansing Saturday boarded F by row: Rows 3 & 4, then Rows 1 & 2. :rolleyes: I thought I had seen and heard it all in regards to boarding processes, but apparently I haven't.
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Here's probably the most interesting website I found, complete with video models! http://www.public.asu.edu/~dbvan1/pr...g/boarding.htm. Their models appear to suggest that random is actually an improvement over the old back to front system, but reverse pyramid and outside-in are still better.
Here's a breakdown of the types out there and who uses them... 1. Back-to-front- AC, Alaska, AA, BA, CO, F9, YX, Spirit, Virgin, US (some) 2. Rotating-zone- FL 3. Random (assigned seats)- B6 and NWA 4. Block- DL 5. Reverse-pyramid- US (some) 6. Outside-in- UA 7. Random (unassigned seats)- Ryanair and Easyjet (2 doors), SW (1 door) Another interesting article concludes "Among row-dependent policies which do not severely constrain passengers, random boarding (no policy) is almost optimal," Bachmat and his colleagues report. For random boarding, boarding time is roughly proportional to the square root of the number of passengers. Nonetheless, it is possible to improve on random seating or any row-dependent system by allowing window-seat passengers to board first, they conclude." (http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/...2/mathtrek.asp) Here's some more research... The problem with the research is that the computer models are only so effective at predicting actual human behavior. Here is one research model, which doesn't entirely come to a conclusion, but definately interesting to read (http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~ebachmat/managesubmit.pdf) and a related comment (http://www.maa.org/devlin/devlin_05_06.html). A more recent article (http://www.math.duke.edu/news/awards/MCM2007lmw.pdf) recommends: "we recommend a hybrid boarding process; a combination of window to aisle and alternate halfrows. This technique is a three-zone process, like window to aisle, but it allows family units to board first, simultaneously with window seat passengers." They acknowledge, as I'm sure NWA did as well, that mass general boarding is efficient for SW. The major difference of course is the drive on SW to get on and get a good seat quickly (similarly to Ryanair, but they also use 2 doors). The 757, especially the 753 is a big difference of course too. Having done general boarding on the a330, the 2 aisles and door 2L made it better I'm sure, but it still was pretty slow (especially since we were in first, and had missed 1st class boarding, and HNL has no room for a red carpet...). As you can see, the evidence is a little all over the place... Anecdotaly, my experience with full FL 717s is that it was slower using rotating zone than NWA's chaos on an A320. |
I thought it was funny that I received this from NWA today buried in an email:
The next time you travel, make sure to use our Premium Boarding Lanes available to Elite members, customers flying First Class, World Business ClassSM and customers of the SkyTeam Alliance who hold Elite status. The combination of these Premium Boarding Lanes and our Open Boarding* process have reduced congestion in the gate area, jetway and aboard the aircraft. *Studies have shown that this open boarding reduces the amount of time it takes to board a flight by an average of seven minutes. |
Originally Posted by geoffco
(Post 9358104)
The agent in Lansing Saturday boarded F by row: Rows 3 & 4, then Rows 1 & 2. :rolleyes: I thought I had seen and heard it all in regards to boarding processes, but apparently I haven't.
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