RobtheAggie

Bold = New

Confirmed
NRT-Taipei
31 Aug 2008 1x 757-200
NW 95 19:15-22:10
NW 96 9:00 - 12:25


SEA-LHR 1x (+1 on Friday) 1 June

DTW-SLC 1x 5 June A319
NW 859 DTW-SLC 10:40 a.m. 12:40 p.m.
NW 860 SLC-DTW 12:00 p.m. 5:30 p.m.

DTW-CHA 1x 5 June CRJ 200
DTW-CHA NW 2925 7:10 p.m. 8:45 p.m.
CHA-DTW NW 2924 7:10 a.m. 9:20 a.m.

MSP-FWA 1x 5 June CRJ 200
MSP-FWA NW 5625 8:15 p.m. 11:10 p.m.
FWA-MSP NW 5624 7:00 a.m. 8:02 a.m.

MSP-LEX 1x 5 June - 18 Aug CRJ 200
MSP - LEX NW 5639 1:10 p.m. 4:07 p.m.
LEX - MSP NW 5638 5:00 p.m. 5:58 p.m.

DTW-ESC-IMT 1x 6 June SAAB 3400
DTW-ESC NW 3076 7:05 p.m. 8:35 p.m.
ECS-IMT NW 3076 8:55 p.m. 8:35 p.m.
IMT-ESC NW 3077 6:00 a.m. 7:40 a.m.
ESC-DTW NW 3077 8:00 a.m. 9:30 a.m.

MSP-IMT-ESC 1x 6 June SAAB 3400
MSP-IMT NW 3081 2:30 p.m. 3:55 p.m.
IMT-ESC NW 3081 4:20 p.m. 6:00 p.m.
ESC-IMT NW 3080 6:30 p.m. 6:10 p.m.
IMT-MSP NW 3080 6:30 p.m. 7:55 p.m.

MEM-COS 2x 15 June CRJ 200
MEM-COS NW 5741 8:30 a.m. 9:49 a.m.
MEM-COS NW 5738 1:40 p.m. 2:50 p.m.
COS-MEM NW 5740 10:30 a.m. 1:50 p.m.
COS-MEM NW 5739 3:30 p.m. 6:36 p.m.

MEM-BDL 1x 15 June CRJ 200
MEM-BDL NW 5721 6:35 p.m. 10:15 p.m.
BDL-MEM NW 5776 6:15 a.m. 8:00 a.m.

MSP-DBQ 2x 20 June CRJ 200
NW 3161 1:45 p.m. 2:50 p.m.
NW 3163 9:15 p.m. 10:39 p.m.

DBQ-MSP
NW 3160 6:50 a.m. 8:12 a.m.
NW 3162 3:10 p.m. 4:11 p.m.

NRT-Siapan 1x 1 July A-330
10:45 p.m. 1:25 a.m.
5:00 a.m. 7:40 a.m.

MEM-Columbia, MO 3x 19 Aug SF3

SEA-PEK 1x 1March 09

DTW-PVG 1x 29 March 09




Rumored
DTW
DTW-FCO
DTW-BOM With at 787
DTW-Milan
DTW-BRU (Restart, stopped due to 757 pilot shortage last summer/fall)
DTW-DUB 757
DTW-MAN 757
DTW-LIS 757
DTW-OSL 757
DTW-BHX 757
GTW-GLA 757

Others
MSP - OSL
PIT-AMS?
KIX/NRT - SGN
BOS-MAN 757?
IND-AMS
MEM-NRT


Later possibilities from DTW after 787's arrive
Lagos, Johannasburg, EZE, Sao Paulo, Dubai, Delhi, Mumbai, Hong Kong, Shanghi, Taipai, Beijing and Seoul. All non-stop from DTW


If a mod could update this thread as new routes are added.

thezipper

I thought I heard rumors of KIX/NRT - SGN...

RobOnLI

I don't know the effective date, but EWR-AMS is going to 2x daily using 757's instead of 1x daily A330.

Also, the DFW-AMS flights are KL-operated, not NWA. Are we listing KL flights in this list as well? Or maybe just all North American NW/KL flights?

-RM

sxf24

Unfortunately this will require a significant renegotiation of the current bilateral treaty, which only allows service from a single carrier from each country.

RobtheAggie

I just updated the master list.

sbagdon

That's a lot of LHR service. Is this a shift from GTW?

Steve B.

FlytheTail

Do you mean LGW? We can only speculate, but hard to see NW have so many seats to/from London. Speculation is that NW will use 757 equipment to service LGW.

florin

I've heard from 2 different FA's rumors about a BOS-MAN 757 flight.

sbagdon

Yup, meant LGW...

So... is there a ST member that bases out of LHR? I could look, thought I'd just ask. FRA/KL, AMS/LH, CDG/AF (are those all correct?) seems to make sense, LGW never made sense to me.

Steve B.

RobtheAggie

Updated again with the inclusion of the DTW-FCO/Milan rumors and BOS-Man rumors. Also included the PDX-AMS flight.

james318

The official word from NW is that MSP-LGW is disappearing, and that DTW-LGW is going to a 757.

No speculation required.

SkyBuck

KL has AMS and LH has FRA. Must have missed the memo about LH joining Skyteam, though if DL/UA happens it might become StarTeam anyway.

LHR is not a Skyteam hub, but AZ, OK, SU, KE all have flights to LHR and not (IIRC) LGW.

jacksafar

I heard a rumor from a *very reliable* source about SEA-PEK. I don't know if it would be just during the Olympics or if its new service. I'm surprised to have not heard about it yet.

MSP2SEA

Really bummed DTW-MTY will happen before MSP-MEX. I guess that's probably out of range for the little RJs, but it sure would be nice. Rumored Aeromexico MSP-MEX flight also never happened.

steex

I believe this is a myth, and that 2 flag carriers are permitted from the USA. United's application for SFO-HKG-SGN specifically references this fact in bullet point #2, seen here. It states "the U.S. and Vietnam entered into a bilateral air services agreement ("ASA") in October 2003 under which two U.S. carriers may commence scheduled combination operations between the U.S. and Vietnam." Furthermore, United had to negotiate with Vietnam to accelerate the implementation of 5th-freedom rights from HKG.

My understanding of the situation is that there are issues with the 5th-freedom rights for NW to be able to specifically fly Vietnam from Japan (and even more specifically. NRT). This fact is directly referenced by NWA's response to the Vietnam Airlines (VN) application for SGN-KIX-LAX, seen here. VN requested full open skies authority to carry local traffic on all segments ex-KIX, but NWA's response notes that this violates the existing treaty. NWA further states that they are not opposed to VN's application and recommends full removal of "Annex IV" (which restricts the 5th-freedoms ex-Japan). Presumably, NWA included this so that they may be able to initiate their own services to Vietnam via NRT or KIX in the future.

VN has since answered NWA's response, requesting that they be granted full open skies authority on the route, but with acknowledgment that they would not be permitted to carry 5th-freedom Japan-USA traffic until such time that the overall USA-Vietnam bilateral is altered in regards to Japan traffic. I've heard rumor that VN has already announced a tentative Oct. 27, 2008 start date for LAX, so presumably they anticipate being able to initiate service by then either via KIX without 5th-freedom or via some other point (TPE, perhaps). Either of these would not help NWA in obtaining the Japan-Vietnam operating rights they want/need.