I think you must have been hallucinating. I'm not sure about the airbus but on the dc-9 you get lumbar support in the form of a piece of the metal frame protrudes into your back. It's an extra feature that the airline doesn't charge for.

I'm sure CO would, after enhancing it with a pointy spike! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mad.gif

I think RC is just saying, "try and compare". Most of us on the NW forum know that NW domestic FC is no Singapore Air... but if you know that going in, you really dont expect too much. I would never compare NW to UA coz I know UA has a better FC product. IMHO, If you are paying (or your client is) and want the true FC and pampering, they you shouldnt fly NW. For me it's the seat and the extra room... I typically get the upgrade for free, I'm not complaining. If I want food, I'll stop at McD's before I board and get something I know I'll enjoy. Drinks are adequate and the NW FA's are pretty nice.

Is it only me? Am I just dense?
Why is it when I read a post from someone who has been registered on FT for almost a year and a half, misposts a Trip Report in the wrong forum and mentions virtually nothing about the WorldPerks program except "I paid an F class fare so no type of upgrade was involved," that I get confused and wonder what the post is all about.
My assumptions about cabledave are that he states what are his preferences are as if they should be everyone's preference, never asks for information on FT and does not use the search feature. These assumptions were made by me after using the Search: All posts by this registered user. Further assumptions that I am going to make are that he made a flight with a connection as he posts the following[list type=1][*] In a market UA is now using commuter jets in.[*] Secondly the "2 chunks of beef 'appetizer'" he mentions in his "Trip Report" I have only been served on the flights out of msp and dtw to the west coast.[/list]I live in a section of this country where they happen to have carts to present and serve food in restaurants and perhaps other parts of the country do not have this option. These establishments run the gamut from chineses dimsum to the place where we ate the other night, Masa's. Even at Masa's some of the courses were presented and served to us from a cart. Guess what? Not having any perception that the quality was any different than food that was presented on a plate after being prepared in the kitchen I tipped the same. Tipped the same in both of those places same as I tip in places that brought the plates out to me after they were put together in the kitchen. Never have I ever got the perception that there was a higher quality from one or the other. I need to repeat that one more time for my own satisfaction. Never have I ever got the perception that there was a higher quality from one or the other. But like I said maybe I am dense. Well c'dave if you did hear the audio perhaps you might come to the conclusion as I. The conclusion being that the dj who is making the selections doesn't have the same taste as I. Found this to be true on NW flights that do have audio. So what I do is bring my laptop and cds that I like and I listen to what I like. Since you have posted in previous posts that you do not carry your laptop and other electronics onto the plane but watch it get thrown around by the baggage handlers I do not know what to suggest to you about an audio solution.
I know that a lot of the posters here are at an age where they have probably had the ability to have a PC or Mac all of their lives. I am of the age that I can remember when we got our first television. This means that I learned to read before I learned to watch TV. Even though I recently worked at an educational cable tv station I still find reading a book more entertaining than watching a movie on a little screen. Maybe it is only me again but I prefer reading on a plane and watching movies where all of the effects the director put into the movie are available - big screen - dolby sound - etc. Even though watching a movie with everything that the director meant for me to see is more pleasing than watching it on a little screen I have yet to find a movie that was more entertaining than the author’s original. This has been true whether I read the book before or after seeing the movie.
The other thing I enjoy on planes is sleeping. Always too many distractions at home or in the office. So the quicker they get the (not good) food service out of the way the quicker I can do the two things that I like to do while flying. I guess NW is a good fit for my preferences.
I will have to agree with you on one thing and that is that the food on UA is good to very good. In fact I wrote a long letter to NW (not a "Trip Report" to FT) and stated that same thing after I was given a FIM to a United Flight. Now maybe it was just a coincidence or most likely it was ready to happen anyway but a few short months later the food took a quantum leap on NW. I even put in some suggestions about parts of the meal they could lose and perhaps put more into other parts of the meal. Received a response about how they would forward my letter to the catering department. So I still believe that my letter to NW was a lot more effective than posting on FT for getting a change.
btw If you think the food was not good now think of how bad it could have been and then multiply that. A few short years ago it was not that bad it was even worse. I know a lot of flyers on NW are recent immigrants from other airlines (gee, I wonder why) but do a search from the early days of FT (In the Archives) and see how bad the food was. Maybe some of the other long time NW flyers might comment to that here in your "Trip Report" thread. As an aside, pre-FT I was a big time user of coach. So I learn that if there were things that I really wanted to eat on the plane than I should be prepared to bring them. Bring them I did and bring them I still do even though a great amount of my flying is upgraded first.
I wonder why people buy first class? Have they never heard about FlyerTalk and the wonderful things that are discussed there like elite status and comps and ConnectFirst, which has been discussed in the NorthWest forum. I will assume unless I am corrected c'dave's company paid for the trip. Ultimately if I am paying for first, I never have nor has my employer for any of the few business trips I took, I think that on the top of the list would be the following;
Once again thank you for your "Trip Report." Some day I am going to have to experience "a paid F class" and see if there is something I am missing. My best guess is it will be a newly formed empty space in my bank account and my perception will be why didn't I do a search on FT and find out how I could have experienced this without paying for it or at least all of it. Of course since I am dense maybe I just won't get it.

Wow. So let's get all hyped up about the other threads in this forum that "mentions virtually nothing about the WorldPerks program" like the F and C class thread, NW's load factor, DTW-TUL service, NW unions and concessions, ticket transferability, seats on Airbus aircraft, endorsement of tickets, NW's financial losses, etc, etc.

Thanks for your "OMNI" post.

[This message has been edited by keithguy (edited 04-21-2003).]

magic111,

Wow. I didn't really consider it a trip report as I never said where I went or came from. I viewed it as more of a request for comments. I didn't want to judge my experience as 'the way it is on NW' without getting some feedback from others.

My reason for flying NW was they are the ONLY carrier that has 'real' jet service to the city we need to fly to on a regular basis.

The only reason I pointed out that I paid for F was if I had paid $200-300 for a coach ticket and gotten a free upgrade my expectations would be different.

It does look like we can fly on CO to DTW and then connect to a NW flight. CO sounds like it has a better F product.

Since you seem to be the expert at FT protocol I assume it is safe to post a reply that drones on and on, taking up enough space for oh I don't know, a trip report RTW perhaps.

Anyone who would take the time to dredge through and track down something I posted about a year ago would be considered a stalker in my social circle and truely consider as one who should get a life an live it.

This post is no more "OMNI" than your "two leaps of faith" post

Well I commented and even added some suggestions which you are welcome to put into the circular file as how to improve your next experience

Two key strokes to read all post by a user "dredge(?)"
Well I guess than if you consider two key strokes to be dredging than you would come to the conclusion that you did.

How sad that something so trivial brings out the petty, bitter side of some people.

Yes all because you had a bad meal served from a cart.

Thanks to everyone who responded with constructive input. Since this thread has become so childish I'm going to ignore any further posts.

Now that the features and benefits of flying Northwest have been clearly articulated those of us on the NW Board hope to see you soon on a Northwest flight.

The search feature of FT was mentioned by you on this thread. Try it, it's actually a very useful way to get information.

Have a good flight!

Radiocycle
Northwest Moderator

So, what is the best in First?

I couldn't resist a final thought!
I was on a 320 MSP-SLC yesterday, asking for volunteers, it was so full, no chance of an upgrade (forgot to check-in on line).
I got to my seat (8D) and got resigned to the fact that I should have eaten. Just before the doors closed the GA came on board
calling my name, gave me 1C. The food never tasted so good. Beef Stroganoff. Fabulous
Good old NW