Flight availability
 

The following is the availability on http://publicbackup.com/shared/flyertalk/availability/

for the flights I am on. The first set gives the availability for each segment when checked as stand alone segments.

BKK-NRT J9 C9 I0 Z0 Y3 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 T0 K0
NRT-DTW J5 C6 I0 Z0 Y9 B5 M5 H3 Q3 V3 L3 T3 K0

The following is the availability for each segments when checked as a BKK-DTW flight
BKK-NRT J4 C0 I0 Z0 Y3 B3 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 T0 K0
NRT-DTW J4 C0 I0 Z0 Y5 B3 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 T0 K0

Is the difference due to married segments? Which is a better reflection of availability. The date is Sept 20th. I haven't got KVS tool so I don't know what KVS tool says. It's too early to hope for a bump but who knows.

[KVS Availability Tool 2.9.1/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]
[CODE]BKK Bangkok Int'l TH [VTBD]
DTW Detroit Metro Wayne County MI US [KDTW]
THU 20 Sep 2007

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- --------------------------------------
NW 28 BKK 06:00 NRT 14:30 332 0 J4 C0 I0 Z0 Y3 B3 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 T0 K0
-> NW 12 NRT 15:55 DTW 14:25 744 0 J4 C0 I0 Z0 Y6 B3 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0................................................ .................................................. .......... Here is KVS. Looks like bump city to me....

Thanks so much.
I hope you are right. But things can change so fast in an intermediate city such as NRT. One of our AMS-DTW flights, NW 53, was oversold by 23 in at about 7 the a.m. of the departure day. It left with no volunteers needed.

After looking at this again I think your chances are very good. It is the BKK-NRT seg that is loaded and there is next to nothing for availability to NRT that day. Good luck! $750, a hotel for another night in BKK and Biz would be a nice score indeed! [KVS Availability Tool 2.9.1/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]

I just loked up the 21st for BKK-NRT, it looks even tighter than the 20th
BKK-NRT Sept 21 J9 C0 I0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 T0
K0

So chances of rebooking in Biz are pretty good. Can I volunteer to be bumped again when if I am re-booked for the 21st, if I am in WBC and the oversold situation is in coach?

You can and should (schedule permitting) as soon as you possibly can when you get top the airport.

Checking each flight separately is the far more accurate means of seeing availability. The reason the flight availability changes when you search BKK->DTW (without the stop in NRT) is because one segment can't possibly have more seats available than the lowest number of seats of any segment of the itin. Therefore, if BKK-NRT has Y9 B9 but NRT-DTW only has Y3 B3 then the flight availability tool will show the lower of the numbers.

I'd say with the flight loads looking as they do, there's a chance of op-ups happening on the flights (especially on the 21st where it's J9 and Y0). And yes, you absolutely can bump yourself over and over again. Good luck and please report back to us and let us know how you make out with either an op-up or bump.

-RM

Thanks. But that does not explain the difference. There are other factors too. I will tray and avail of as many opportunities as I can. I have no pressing need to come back here on a given date, as I am out of work.

Is this uusual for BKK at his time of the year?
 

Wow, this seems like a good opportunity. Avialibility for the 20th seems to have improved slightly. If I can manage a bump on the 20th, then it seems I can manage one every day before finally taking a flight on the 26th. AM I correct? After 26th and 27th, it looks tight again until the end of month. What's going on in BKK? I haven't kept up with traffic in an out of BKK, as we have done mostly SIN during the last 3 years multiples times.

J9 C9 I0 Z0 Y4 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 T0 K0 20th Sept
J9 C0 I0 Z0 Y1 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 T0 K0 21st Sept
J0 C0 I0 Z0 Y3 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 T0 K0 22nd Sept
J2 C0 I0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 T0 K0 23rd Sept (Closed)
J0 C0 I0 Z0 Y3 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 T0 K0 24th Sept
J4 C3 I0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 T0 K0 25th Sept (Closed) J8 C7 I0 Z0 Y9 B7 M6 H0 Q6 V0 L2 T2 K0 26th Sept
J9 C9 I0 Z0 Y9 B3 M1 H0 Q1 V0 L0 T1 K0 27th Sept
J3 C0 I0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 T0 K0 28th Sept (Closed)
J0 C0 I0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 T0 K0 29th Sept (Closed)
J0 C0 I0 Z0 Y6 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 T0 K0 30th Sept

Although this may be generally true, looking at both segments is helpful. NWA may offer more seats for BKK-DTW than BKK-NRT because the connecting flight to DTW brings in more $. I look at both to get a better picture. However, when you look at them individually, you can usually identify which one of the flights is the limiting one.

BKK-NRT does seem heavily booked this month. However, I have never received an op-up or bump departing from BKK -- has anyone else? (from NRT to BKK is a different story.) Maybe its because I don't get to the BKK airport until 5am for the 6am flight, and so they've already bumped people or identified volunteers before I arrive?

We got an op-up in the reverse direction, when NW still had a 747. As we, my, children and I, handed our BPs, they beeped and the GA handed us new BPs. I didn't even know we had been upgraded. We were originally in row 25 and 26 window and aisle. After we sellted down, I looked at the BPs, that row 10 and 11 J and K. That's when I realised we had been op-uped.

The DCA-DTW and DTW-NRT (NW 11) had light loads. NW11 had about 100 unoccupied seats in coach, not sure about WBC. The NW 25 was full in WBC but had 75 open seats ion coach. Arrived in NRT about half an hour late, with just about 45 minutes to connect to NW 27. As I approached the gate for NW27, the GA called my name and handed me a WBC BP saying they were over sold and had therefor upgraded me. That was a nice suprise. I was the last one to board.

At least one more besides me, probably several people got an OP-up on BKK-NRT segment on Sept 20th. The check-in agent told me she did not think they would need volunteers, and if they did, they would seem volunteers among those going as far as NRT only. It makes sense, but it's not always possible to find one or more volunteer among those who are not travelling beyond NRT or Japan.