747 charter for potential NWA DO: please read and respond to survey
Aug 14, 2007, 9:52 am
#76
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 8,884
So, please, just respond to the OP's survey.
Aug 14, 2007, 9:54 am
#77
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 8,884
Note: I am a B747 pilot who prior to my current job was working for a charter outfit overseas.
Contract Rate B747 is about 8-10K an hr. NW should be able to provide you with a plane in that range. Possibly cheaper.
Also note, that ALL sorts of fees apply depending on where you land, passenger security, terminal usage ect.. that can easily equal about $30 a person.
Good Luck with this. I think it is an awesome idea.
Contract Rate B747 is about 8-10K an hr. NW should be able to provide you with a plane in that range. Possibly cheaper.
Also note, that ALL sorts of fees apply depending on where you land, passenger security, terminal usage ect.. that can easily equal about $30 a person.
Good Luck with this. I think it is an awesome idea.
Aug 14, 2007, 10:09 am
#78
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: PDX
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Posts: 2,561
I'm interested.
Problem is getting to MSP or DTW - that is usually several hundred dollars per person from PDX. Add several hundred dollars more per person for the charter, a couple nights hotel, and all of a sudden this is a spendy weekend.
I think the charter's a great idea, but from a purely financial standpoint you'll probably get more interest with a more traditional DO a la CO. For example, for me to pay to fly PDX-MSP, just to pay to get back on a flight MSP-SEA, only makes sense if I'm earning EQMs - and if it's a mistake fare. What are the chances they'll fat-finger the per person cost on the charter and make it $48 per person instead of $480?
Problem is getting to MSP or DTW - that is usually several hundred dollars per person from PDX. Add several hundred dollars more per person for the charter, a couple nights hotel, and all of a sudden this is a spendy weekend.
I think the charter's a great idea, but from a purely financial standpoint you'll probably get more interest with a more traditional DO a la CO. For example, for me to pay to fly PDX-MSP, just to pay to get back on a flight MSP-SEA, only makes sense if I'm earning EQMs - and if it's a mistake fare. What are the chances they'll fat-finger the per person cost on the charter and make it $48 per person instead of $480?
Aug 14, 2007, 10:27 am
#79
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada
Posts: 171
Do Above the Clouds
Getting to MSP is a bit of a nuisance, but sure.
$5-600 , all in , sounds reasonable
Escrow is fine
Flight to anywhere is fine!
$5-600 , all in , sounds reasonable
Escrow is fine
Flight to anywhere is fine!
Aug 14, 2007, 10:32 am
#80
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: MSP
Programs: DL DM, Marriott Plat, National Exec Elite
Posts: 1,357
So we have a tally of how many people are interested?
Just curious if redtail is keeping a running total of how many people are interested.
Dave
Dave
Aug 14, 2007, 10:35 am
#81
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NJ
Posts: 211
I'm interested. As a primarily CO flyer, but an aviation enthusiast, I'd love a chance to fly a 747.
1. How much will you pay for a day trip in a chartered 747?
$500-$600 for Y, $800-$1000 for WBC and $1000-$1200 for upper deck. My opinion: the seats up front ought to be for sale to those who are willing to spend the $$. If (as with revenue flights) a percentage could also be made available for the Y fare + miles (or by lottery), that seems like a fair way to get some Y pax into J.
2. Are you prepared to put this money into an escrow account managed by a Committee chosen from NWA FT members?
Yes
3. Where would you like it to go?
It would be nice to make it a 2-3 hour flight, with some activity scheduled at the destination.
1. How much will you pay for a day trip in a chartered 747?
$500-$600 for Y, $800-$1000 for WBC and $1000-$1200 for upper deck. My opinion: the seats up front ought to be for sale to those who are willing to spend the $$. If (as with revenue flights) a percentage could also be made available for the Y fare + miles (or by lottery), that seems like a fair way to get some Y pax into J.
2. Are you prepared to put this money into an escrow account managed by a Committee chosen from NWA FT members?
Yes
3. Where would you like it to go?
It would be nice to make it a 2-3 hour flight, with some activity scheduled at the destination.
Aug 14, 2007, 10:39 am
#82
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: TPA, PHL
Programs: NW: SE & WC
Posts: 2,136
Originally Posted by mtacchi
Note: I am a B747 pilot who prior to my current job was working for a charter outfit overseas.
Contract Rate B747 is about 8-10K an hr. NW should be able to provide you with a plane in that range. Possibly cheaper.
Also note, that ALL sorts of fees apply depending on where you land, passenger security, terminal usage ect.. that can easily equal about $30 a person.
Good Luck with this. I think it is an awesome idea
Contract Rate B747 is about 8-10K an hr. NW should be able to provide you with a plane in that range. Possibly cheaper.
Also note, that ALL sorts of fees apply depending on where you land, passenger security, terminal usage ect.. that can easily equal about $30 a person.
Good Luck with this. I think it is an awesome idea
BTW, does the plant have a runway? If so, could we use it?
Aug 14, 2007, 10:45 am
#83
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: TPA, PHL
Programs: NW: SE & WC
Posts: 2,136
EDIT: Yes I realize this isn't a 400.
Last edited by ed1; Aug 14, 2007 at 10:53 am
Aug 14, 2007, 10:46 am
#84
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Aug 14, 2007, 11:21 am
#85
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: TPA, PHL
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Originally Posted by mlk
>>$500-$600 for Y, $800-$1000 for WBC and $1000-$1200 for upper deck. My opinion: the seats up front ought to be for sale to those who are willing to spend the $$. If (as with revenue flights) a percentage could also be made available for the Y fare + miles (or by lottery), that seems like a fair way to get some Y pax into J.<<
Aug 14, 2007, 11:21 am
#86
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: UK
Programs: Shiny ones
Posts: 288
When large conferences are organized, if an airline is promoted as the 'official carrier' they will often give a discount to delegates using their airline to get to the conference location.
Why not ask NW if they'd do this for all the people having to fly to MSP just to attend the do? I've been to many conferences of around (say) 200-300 people where this is done - so airlines will sometimes do this for relatively small groups - we're not talking thousands of delegates.
This might just make it a bit easier for those having to stretch the old finances a bit...
Techno
Why not ask NW if they'd do this for all the people having to fly to MSP just to attend the do? I've been to many conferences of around (say) 200-300 people where this is done - so airlines will sometimes do this for relatively small groups - we're not talking thousands of delegates.
This might just make it a bit easier for those having to stretch the old finances a bit...
Techno
Aug 14, 2007, 11:26 am
#87
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Girdwood
Programs: ASMVPG,HHG,SPGG
Posts: 301
I'm in;
$300 OK
escrow OK
SEA OK(I'd be halfway home)
$300 OK
escrow OK
SEA OK(I'd be halfway home)
Aug 14, 2007, 11:30 am
#88
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Philadelphia, PA USA
Programs: CO Silver, HHonors Gold, Marriott Silver
Posts: 982
1. Life's too short for Y. I have no issue with Cash for J. The more interesting location and activities the more I'd pay. Starting at $300-500 and slide up from there if it's really compelling. I'm fine with pledging into an account, but class needs to be sorted out before money exchanges hands. This doesn't seem like the kind of crowd where collecting cash then lotto'ing the J would go well.
This sounds like a great experience, and good luck pulling it together.
Aug 14, 2007, 11:32 am
#89
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: TPA, PHL
Programs: NW: SE & WC
Posts: 2,136
When large conferences are organized, if an airline is promoted as the 'official carrier' they will often give a discount to delegates using their airline to get to the conference location.
Why not ask NW if they'd do this for all the people having to fly to MSP just to attend the do? I've been to many conferences of around (say) 200-300 people where this is done - so airlines will sometimes do this for relatively small groups - we're not talking thousands of delegates.
This might just make it a bit easier for those having to stretch the old finances a bit...
Techno
Why not ask NW if they'd do this for all the people having to fly to MSP just to attend the do? I've been to many conferences of around (say) 200-300 people where this is done - so airlines will sometimes do this for relatively small groups - we're not talking thousands of delegates.
This might just make it a bit easier for those having to stretch the old finances a bit...
Techno
Aug 14, 2007, 11:32 am
#90
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 174
I would do it.
But the though of sitting in a middle seat would exclude me. I would prefer WBC or the top floor. Nix on the lottery. Take the number of "good" seats and sell them for a premium. Does $300.00 get you 67 whatever or an exit row seat?
How many seats in Upper or WBC? Bid for for them and the top XXX bidders get those seats.
But the though of sitting in a middle seat would exclude me. I would prefer WBC or the top floor. Nix on the lottery. Take the number of "good" seats and sell them for a premium. Does $300.00 get you 67 whatever or an exit row seat?
How many seats in Upper or WBC? Bid for for them and the top XXX bidders get those seats.
