The CONSOLIDATED Management caused it, no labor caused it THREAD
Jul 1, 2007, 8:57 am
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How is it different? Laid off, furloughed, fired - all equal no paycheck, therefore no job. At least for FAs (the junior ones), it isn't like jobs with equal or higher salaries would be that hard to find given the economy. Maybe for pilots, furloughed and fired aren't identical given how locked into the piloting career they are, but for FAs, the words are a distinction without a meaningful difference.
Jul 1, 2007, 10:57 am
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I'm simply trying to be a rational voice in the sea of all people who are quick to point fingers. Usually things aren't what they seem on the surface for anything, and it's my belief that's the case with the current operational issues as well. I'm truly sorry that seems to offend so many people here, but simply avoiding facts, ignoring the other sides of the argument, and making rash judgments leads to much of the hostility and mis-information out there.
What are the exact sick call numbers? Have they been published?
I find your comments one sided, rash and hostile.
Jul 1, 2007, 11:58 am
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The "pilot absenteeism" rate this month was 80 percent higher than the previous June, Northwest revealed Friday.
While the majority of the absences were sick calls, company spokesman Bill Mellon said the figure included pilots taking family medical leave.
I think it's safe to say the most of us (including SchmutizigMSP) don't give NW a free ride, but we also don't buy into labor's claims of innocence.
While the majority of the absences were sick calls, company spokesman Bill Mellon said the figure included pilots taking family medical leave.
Jul 1, 2007, 1:34 pm
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From the Star Tribune:
The "pilot absenteeism" rate this month was 80 percent higher than the previous June, Northwest revealed Friday.
While the majority of the absences were sick calls, company spokesman Bill Mellon said the figure included pilots taking family medical leave.
I think it's safe to say the most of us (including SchmutizigMSP) don't give NW a free ride, but we also don't buy into labor's claims of innocence.While the majority of the absences were sick calls, company spokesman Bill Mellon said the figure included pilots taking family medical leave.
I find the use of percentages to be misleading and possibly self-serving. How about the real numbers? How many actual sick calls did they have last year and how many this year? Hell, if only 10 called in sick last June and 80% more called in sick this June, that comes to 18 and that would not be significant enough to impact operations. So does anybody have any accurate numbers?
Jul 1, 2007, 1:55 pm
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I find the use of percentages to be misleading and possibly self-serving. How about the real numbers? How many actual sick calls did they have last year and how many this year? Hell, if only 10 called in sick last June and 80% more called in sick this June, that comes to 18 and that would not be significant enough to impact operations. So does anybody have any accurate numbers?
Jul 1, 2007, 2:26 pm
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If an average of 18 pilots called in sick but NW canceled 150 flights a day, wouldn't that impact the discussion about the root problem?
Jul 1, 2007, 2:48 pm
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Now that sounds like someone who is anti-union/pro-mgmt. I prefer dealing with the real numbers instead of possibly misleading using a veil of percentages. Also, while we are on the subject, wouldn't a more accurate picture be drawn if we had all the sick call data for pilots for the last year? Who knows, maybe last June the pilots had a record month for a low number of sick calls and again we use "percentages" to lead us to conclusions that may or may not be accurate but instead may lead us to false conclusions?
Jul 1, 2007, 2:53 pm
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If 10 and 18 were the numbers, do you think the union would shout it from the roof tops, or would they keep quiet to protect management?
Jul 1, 2007, 2:58 pm
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Now that sounds like someone who is anti-union/pro-mgmt. I prefer dealing with the real numbers instead of possibly misleading using a veil of percentages. Also, while we are on the subject, wouldn't a more accurate picture be drawn if we had all the sick call data for pilots for the last year? Who knows, maybe last June the pilots had a record month for a low number of sick calls and again we use "percentages" to lead us to conclusions that may or may not be accurate but instead may lead us to false conclusions?
Jul 1, 2007, 5:33 pm
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How is this any different than using the veil of percentages to explain the cut in pay/benefits that FAs have taken? ‘FAs have taken a 40% pay cut’ sounds suspiciously similar to ‘80% more pilots have called in sick’. It seems to me that BOTH labor and mgmnt. have used percentages when they feel it paints them in a more sympathetic light.
Jul 1, 2007, 7:58 pm
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I have it on very good authority that my paycheck is much much smaller and my medical premiums are much much higher.
Jul 1, 2007, 10:00 pm
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From the Star Tribune:
The "pilot absenteeism" rate this month was 80 percent higher than the previous June, Northwest revealed Friday.
While the majority of the absences were sick calls, company spokesman Bill Mellon said the figure included pilots taking family medical leave.
I think it's safe to say the most of us (including SchmutizigMSP) don't give NW a free ride, but we also don't buy into labor's claims of innocence.While the majority of the absences were sick calls, company spokesman Bill Mellon said the figure included pilots taking family medical leave.
Why hasn't NWA taken the pilots union to court for an illegal job action?
That's what American did and had great success doing it.
I am not sure whether the pilots are calling in sick at a higher rate than normal or not. If NWA publishes the #s we would all know the real story. - So far it's just accusations.
As Mark Twain said "There are lies, damn lies and statistics."