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SfoDtwFlr May 18, 07 10:25 pm

NW 1411 makes emergency landing
 
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...450/1003/METRO

Does anyone know any more info about this flight? Looks like a hole in the fuselage caused a drop in air pressure.

tev9999 May 18, 07 10:50 pm

Another link: http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=6538786&nav=0RbQ

Northwest Airlines spokesman Doug Hartmayer says flight 14-11 experienced a loss of cabin pressure and smoke filled the cockpit during the flight.

A 12-inch hole was discovered in the DC-9's fuselage after it landed safely with 95 people aboard.


Must have happened pretty quick. Flight aware shows a six minute flight from SYR to BUF. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...654Z/KSYR/KBUF

DanTravels May 19, 07 2:28 am


Originally Posted by tev9999 (Post 7762483)
Must have happened pretty quick. Flight aware shows a six minute flight from SYR to BUF. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...654Z/KSYR/KBUF

That doesn't look right, since the full route isn't shown, and their track log has 15 minutes' worth of data.

BTW, that log also indicates a maximum altitude of 18400' which is a good thing - time of useful consciousness is a lot higher there than it is at typical cruising altitudes. AQ243's incident years ago occurred at 24000'.

The log further indicates that they descended to 10000' (where basically anyone can breathe even without the oxygen masks, but especially with them) for most of the remainder of the trip.

oliver2002 May 19, 07 9:21 am

Thank god nothing major happened. What causes the fuselage to rupture? The DC-9-30 must have some serious number of cycles behind them but surely are checked against hairline cracks? :confused:

DanTravels May 19, 07 10:19 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 7763502)
Thank god nothing major happened. What causes the fuselage to rupture? The DC-9-30 must have some serious number of cycles behind them but surely are checked against hairline cracks? :confused:

A couple ideas:

1. It could have sustained accidental damage while on the ground, but minor enough that it wasn't noticed or something, or

2. Plain old metal fatigue, with the "minor" (compared to AQ243) results being due to inspections being done much more carefully by everyone post-AQ243.

avidflyer May 19, 07 11:11 am

3) Birdstrike on climbout?

NWAFA May 19, 07 12:23 pm


Originally Posted by DanTravels (Post 7763671)
A couple ideas:

1. It could have sustained accidental damage while on the ground, but minor enough that it wasn't noticed or something, or

2. Plain old metal fatigue, with the "minor" (compared to AQ243) results being due to inspections being done much more carefully by everyone post-AQ243.

I'd go with 1.

RobtheAggie May 22, 07 7:09 am

NWA flight diverts to BUF with hole in fuselage
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18782966/

Looks like it is time to retire the DC-9s!

Glad that no one was hurt.

LBJ May 22, 07 7:14 am

This is old news. Word at airliners.net is that this was pretty definitely due to ground equipment, not metal fatigue.

kcnwa May 22, 07 7:36 am


Originally Posted by LBJ (Post 7777106)
This is old news. Word at airliners.net is that this was pretty definitely due to ground equipment, not metal fatigue.

http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=694779

RobtheAggie May 22, 07 7:41 am


Originally Posted by kcnwa (Post 7777190)

Oops. Look what happens when I forget to check flyertalk for a day or two. I ask for sincere forgiveness and will check daily for now on as my penalty.

DCAKen May 29, 07 6:16 am

The New York Times has a story about this in today's business section

mkenwayx May 29, 07 9:26 am

Seems like somebody really doesn't like the DC9s (or just NWA)! IIRC it was snowing when the DC9 went off the runway in MKE. I think I feel safer on a plane like that - that's undergone such significant mx checks over the years, and had time for flaws to be fixed - than a CR9 or E190 that's brand new...

Not that I think it's all that significant, but there have been cases of not finding out a problem or flaw until the aircraft type has been in the air for a few years, then it gets fixed (biggest example is obviously the DC10). I don't think I'd be willing to fly a CRJ that is 40 years old, but the DC9s, aside from guzzling gas, are good aircraft...I think that's been proven time and again. They may only be worth scrap, but a lot of that has to do with newer more efficient aircraft available on the market today, and that fleet type simply doesn't fit most airline's business models today (the 717 couldn't make a go of it either...).

Further, that's the advantage of having experienced pilots! Steve Forbe's Fact and Comment from a few weeks ago argued that the retirement age be increased for pilots, since experience is so important. They don't state his age, but I'd imagine the pilot had been flying DC9s for a while!

mike_plat May 29, 07 9:41 am

Was this the plane that hit the coyote a couple of weeks ago? :D

Bangkok Dave May 29, 07 10:05 am

Has the cause of the hole in the fusilage been determined yet?
Dave


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