Northwest Airlines' 787 (Dreamliner) Possible Routes [Merged Threads]
Apr 18, 2006, 8:07 am
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Northwest Airlines' 787 (Dreamliner) Possible Routes [Merged Threads]
As every one here knows, NW is getting 787s starting in '08. So I kinda started "dreaming" 
on the nonstop routes for these "Dreamliners" (pending NW is still in business in "08 
)...in the order of my preference:
MSP - PVG
MSP - HKG
MSP - CDG
MSP - PEK
NRT - CAN
NRT - TPE
However, the likely routes...if I pretend to be NW's bean counters...in the order of likeliness:
JFK - NRT
DTW - PVG
DTW - ICN
DTW - PEK
BOS - NRT
IAD - NRT
Your ideas?
on the nonstop routes for these "Dreamliners" (pending NW is still in business in "08 )...in the order of my preference:MSP - PVG
MSP - HKG
MSP - CDG
MSP - PEK
NRT - CAN
NRT - TPE
However, the likely routes...if I pretend to be NW's bean counters...in the order of likeliness:
JFK - NRT
DTW - PVG
DTW - ICN
DTW - PEK
BOS - NRT
IAD - NRT
Your ideas?
Last edited by PVGMSP; Apr 18, 2006 at 8:24 am
Apr 18, 2006, 8:11 am
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I agree that JFK-NRT is a done deal. I would actually expect that to be the first route with a 787. I would personally like to see DTW/MSP-BKK and DTW/MSP-AKL-SYD.
Apr 18, 2006, 8:15 am
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NW needs another International destination besides AMS/NRT from MSP. I'd like to see a couple of new (or reinstated) MSP-Asia flights. But I think DTW will be getting them all, unfortunately...
Apr 18, 2006, 8:19 am
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Originally Posted by humanoid94
I agree that JFK-NRT is a done deal. I would actually expect that to be the first route with a 787. I would personally like to see DTW/MSP-BKK and DTW/MSP-AKL-SYD.
Apr 18, 2006, 8:21 am
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Well I believe NW does still own the routes LAX-SYD. But I think it's via HNL.
Apr 18, 2006, 8:29 am
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Originally Posted by umguy
Well I believe NW does still own the routes LAX-SYD. But I think it's via HNL.
Unless NW receives more China frequencies, I would be suprised to see non-stop US-China service. NW has 29 weekly frequencies, which are all in use. Reallocation would require reduction in lucrative cargo service or moving all PEK/PVG flights to DTW.
Apr 18, 2006, 8:38 am
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Originally Posted by SchmutzigMSP
NW needs another International destination besides AMS/NRT from MSP. I'd like to see a couple of new (or reinstated) MSP-Asia flights. But I think DTW will be getting them all, unfortunately...
Those of us that suffer through living near DTW need all the incentive we can get...
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Apr 18, 2006, 8:41 am
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Originally Posted by sxf24
Unless NW receives more China frequencies, I would be suprised to see non-stop US-China service. NW has 29 weekly frequencies, which are all in use. Reallocation would require reduction in lucrative cargo service or moving all PEK/PVG flights to DTW.
One thing I forgot - 787 n/s to India is also likely:
DTW - MUM
DTW - DEL
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Apr 18, 2006, 10:38 am
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Remember that anything greater than ~ 10 hours flying time one way means it would take 2 planes to operate a route, unless you fly them to a hub (NRT) and work them like the current connections that NW does at NRT. Or you could put one on a racetrack and do something like JFK>NRT>SEA>NRT>JFK. Allowing 2 hours for turn around at NRT and SEA might just make this possible. Of course, if there were a significant delay anywhere along the way,.........
Scheduling should be fun.
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Apr 18, 2006, 11:00 am
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If the routes permitted, the planes themselves could just fly circle-trips. That might cut-down on some of the ground time at far away places. Ex: one plane goes MSP-NRT-SYD-MSP. Another plane goes MSP-SYD-NRT-MSP. Every other stop (at least) would be a hub and allow for equipment changes, crew changes, light mx work, etc.
Edit: or for a more realistic routing: 1st plane: MSP-PEK-DTW-PVG-MSP, 2nd plane: MSP-PVG-DTW-PEK-MSP.
Edit: or for a more realistic routing: 1st plane: MSP-PEK-DTW-PVG-MSP, 2nd plane: MSP-PVG-DTW-PEK-MSP.
Apr 18, 2006, 11:25 am
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Originally Posted by sxf24
US-Australia have open skies and any carrier can fly any US-Australia route.
http://www.state.gov/e/eb/rls/othr/2006/22281.htm
USA-New Zealand is an open skies route - perhaps you were thinking of this one.
Apr 18, 2006, 11:54 am
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Originally Posted by PVGMSP
One thing I forgot - 787 n/s to India is also likely:
DTW - MUM
DTW - DEL
DTW - MUM
DTW - DEL
MEM - NRT
Apr 18, 2006, 11:59 am
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Well... NWA has enuff direct frequencies now, they're just using them all for cargo...
The U.S. Department of Transportation recently (2004) awarded Northwest six additional weekly flights to China, for a total of eight. NWA Cargo anticipates using the new frequencies to add freighter service to Shanghai to meet the growing demand for heavy cargo between the United States and China.
Apr 18, 2006, 12:09 pm
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Originally Posted by thezipper
Well... NWA has enuff direct frequencies now, they're just using them all for cargo...
But in regards to the thread... How about a non-stop to SYD, JNB, and HKG, with the motto "we'll fly to all corners of the earth... non-stop!"?
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Apr 18, 2006, 12:28 pm
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Originally Posted by SchmutzigMSP
NW needs another International destination besides AMS/NRT from MSP. I'd like to see a couple of new (or reinstated) MSP-Asia flights. But I think DTW will be getting them all, unfortunately...
how 'bout MSP-TLV; though, I would assume you would want to wait and see how the Delta ATL-TLV service works out over the next few months. This is a definite growth area, IMHO.