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Originally Posted by fromYXU
All employers are surveyed and a national range is published.
You do not need to know more than that. You asked how do you determine the economic value of someone's job. I just did. Anyhoo. Someone sounds sensitive and defensive, as if s/he feels s/he really isn't "worth" the salary s/he is making based on this "national range." So we'll just chalk your whole profession up as "overpaid." |
Originally Posted by Bear96
Anyhoo. Someone sounds sensitive and defensive, as if s/he feels s/he really isn't "worth" the salary s/he is making based on this "national range." So we'll just chalk your whole profession up as "overpaid."
Now to make it simple so that you understand. Lets say you run an airline. You call all other airlines and ask what is the average salary for a FA, lets say with 5 years seniority. Get the average and you tell your FAs that you will pay them at the 75%tile (because your a nice boss). If next year the economy goes bust and the average salaries go down you readjust the salaries. BTW, how is your salary determined? |
Originally Posted by fromYXU
Ask any of us and we are underpaid! :D
Now to make it simple so that you understand. Lets say you run an airline. You call all other airlines and ask what is the average salary for a FA, lets say with 5 years seniority. Get the average and you tell your FAs that you will pay them at the 75%tile (because your a nice boss). If next year the economy goes bust and the average salaries go down you readjust the salaries. BTW, how is your salary determined? |
Originally Posted by Bear96
Paying 75% of the average is being a "nice boss?" :eek:
I think he said 75th percentile, which is a good bit above average. |
Originally Posted by channa
I think he said 75th percentile, which is a good bit above average.
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Originally Posted by Bear96
Anyhoo. Someone sounds sensitive and defensive, as if s/he feels s/he really isn't "worth" the salary s/he is making based on this "national range." So we'll just chalk your whole profession up as "overpaid."
Maybe you should lead by example and let us in on your title and salary. You wouldn't want anyone to say you're being defensive, would you? |
Originally Posted by shiner
I think that in general people don't discuss exactly how much money they make. To ask someone this is usually considered quite rude.
Maybe you should lead by example and let us in on your title and salary. |
Well, I thought it was obvious...but apparently not:
1. This is a discussion board centered around the airline industry. As such, it seems likely that we'd find ourselves discussing issues relevant to the airlines...not, for example, the IT industry. 2. An extremely relevant topic in the Nortwest subforum is the current situation between management and the FAs. A situation that is essentially all about money. Therefore it makes perfect sense that we'd be discussing/debating the compensation of FAs. Is this actually difficult to figure out? If you're looking for a discussion of what auto mechanics make, I'd suggest you go to a forum dedicated to the automobile industry (and so on, depending on who's pay you want to discuss). I assure you that compensation is discussed and debated on any forum dedicated to X. |
Originally Posted by Bear96
Yet people have no problem participating in multiple page threads centered around F/A salaries (or pilots or mechanics, as the labor situation du jour dictates) and don't hold back from opining that the F/As are greedy and are paid plenty? My, my; where are their manners?
Your credibility is sinking with every posts BTW. |
Originally Posted by Bear96
Yet people have no problem participating in multiple page threads centered around F/A salaries (or pilots or mechanics, as the labor situation du jour dictates) and don't hold back from opining that the F/As are greedy and are paid plenty? My, my; where are their manners?
Originally Posted by Bear96
Isn't that a rude thing to ask?
Do you pose these kinds of questions to people you know personally? |
Originally Posted by shiner
I think the difference is that you are asking specific people what their income is.
You were the one who asked. I simply turned the question around to illustrate while you demand to know everyone else's personal income details, you won't share your own. You'll notice I am not one of those passing judgment. Nevertheless, if those who are passing judgment will share their information, I will be glad to share mine in the spirit of cooperation. I do find it fascinating that not one of the judgers will share their information with us. So the rule seems to be: Posters passing judgment on airline employee compensation and demanding to know all the details = acceptable; as FFers we have a right to know these things. Asking those posters to share their own compensation = a rude thing to ask; none of your #$%@ing business. Fascinating. |
Expecting a Living wage is not an unreasonable expectation
I have heard recently from several FA's that have to rely on low cost housing and food stamps to survive economically. The current pay at NW doesn't cover all the basic expenses they incur.
I do not think that expecting a living wage is unreasonable, the FA's are not asking for luxuries, just want to cover basic needs. The (pax) ethics of either encouraging a living wage or dismissing the issue shows the type of people we are. RC
Originally Posted by Bear96
We all post under screen names / handles here. I don't think that posting your job title under a screen name along with salary is that invasive. (Besides, its not even verifiable -- you could lie and no one would know.)
I am not demanding to know "everyone else's" income. I am only interested in the income of those who are passing judgment on airline employees and their compensation goals. You'll notice I am not one of those passing judgment. Nevertheless, if those who are passing judgment will share their information, I will be glad to share mine in the spirit of cooperation. I do find it fascinating that not one of the judgers will share their information with us. So the rule seems to be: Posters passing judgment on airline employee compensation and demanding to know all the details = acceptable; as FFers we have a right to know these things. Asking those posters to share their own compensation = a rude thing to ask; none of your #$%@ing business. Fascinating. |
Originally Posted by Radiocycle
I have heard recently from several FA's that have to rely on low cost housing and food stamps to survive economically. The current pay at NW doesn't cover all the basic expenses they incur.
I do not think that expecting a living wage is unreasonable, the FA's are not asking for luxuries, just want to cover basic needs. The (pax) ethics of either encouraging a living wage or dismissing the issue shows the type of people we are. RC Are suggesting that $33,000 is below a living wage. (average flight attendant's pay comes from NWA AFA). |
Originally Posted by Radiocycle
I have heard recently from several FA's that have to rely on low cost housing and food stamps to survive economically.
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Originally Posted by Seahawk_6
And they are perfectly free to find another job, are they not?
Look at Mesa - do you want NW to maintain the same level of operational and service excellence? |
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