NW Union/Mgmt Labor Master Thread (merged topics)
Feb 9, 2006, 12:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Seattlenerd
And delays actually were reduced once the mechanics "strike" officially started. 
Feb 9, 2006, 1:04 pm
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Originally Posted by rwill11
yeah and as someone that was inconvienced about ten times. I was starting to call them "Jerkages"
Does anyone know how the PFAA (Flight Attendants) negotiations are going and how that is impacting the strategy of NWA and/or ALPA if at all?
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Feb 9, 2006, 1:16 pm
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Originally Posted by seoulmanjr
hahaha -- thanks for giving me a laugh during a crappy work day.
Does anyone know how the PFAA (Flight Attendants) negotiations are going and how that is impacting the strategy of NWA and/or ALPA if at all?
Thanks,
Ben
Does anyone know how the PFAA (Flight Attendants) negotiations are going and how that is impacting the strategy of NWA and/or ALPA if at all?
Thanks,
Ben
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Feb 9, 2006, 1:35 pm
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Originally Posted by rwill11
I saw something this morning cross the bloomberg wire ie fa's not going to extend deadline. did a search on google and couldnt find any thing. Lastest is they have met nws pay cuts. (but that their numbers) and wont budge on the outsourcing to foreign fa's. I hope the best for them they have always been nice to me.
In sum: FAs asked the judge to deny the carrier's bid to extend a temporary bargaining agreement past its Monday deadline. NWA will make that request today.
Feb 9, 2006, 1:37 pm
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you type faster than me
Originally Posted by Seattlenerd
Bloomberg story is on DetroitNews.com here.
In sum: FAs asked the judge to deny the carrier's bid to extend a temporary bargaining agreement past its Monday deadline. NWA will make that request today.
In sum: FAs asked the judge to deny the carrier's bid to extend a temporary bargaining agreement past its Monday deadline. NWA will make that request today.
Feb 9, 2006, 2:13 pm
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Originally Posted by rwill11
I saw something this morning cross the bloomberg wire ie fa's not going to extend deadline. did a search on google and couldnt find any thing. Lastest is they have met nws pay cuts. (but that their numbers) and wont budge on the outsourcing to foreign fa's. I hope the best for them they have always been nice to me. Update: Judge ruled this afternoon for NW to keep paying FA's at the rate negotiated last NOV. in hopes to avert a strike and further negotiating. looks like its getting down to the wire. On a side note. Outsourcing is one thing, but making the NW FA's train them is pretty ruthless
To get back to the topic at hand before I get off on more of a tangent - Given the status of the PFAA negotiations, do you think that NWA will be facing a strike by the FA's as well? What's the potential for it? What's the potential that the PFAA coordinates their own "self-help" action alongside that of ALPA for greater effectiveness? I get the sense that any real strike talk is a bit further off for the PFAA, but the opportunity to put the screws to NW is certainly there.
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Feb 9, 2006, 2:27 pm
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Originally Posted by seoulmanjr
Maybe it's just the lack of chatter on FT and/or my positive experiences with NW FA's attitudes/service lately, but I don't have the gut feeling that the PFAA negotiations/outcome is going to be the crisis that the ALPA negotiations are turning out to be. I really wish them the best insofar as their pay scales go, but on the other hand, I am for the outsourcing to foreign FA's on the foreign routes if it is practicable.
To get back to the topic at hand before I get off on more of a tangent - Given the status of the PFAA negotiations, do you think that NWA will be facing a strike by the FA's as well? What's the potential for it? What's the potential that the PFAA coordinates their own "self-help" action alongside that of ALPA for greater effectiveness? I get the sense that any real strike talk is a bit further off for the PFAA, but the opportunity to put the screws to NW is certainly there. Well they certainly wont cross a pilots picket line. It seems they are willing to settle, but it sure seems to me that management Is holding to "we need these cuts or we will have to liquidate" If they keep this posture its not all that their going to be holding
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To get back to the topic at hand before I get off on more of a tangent - Given the status of the PFAA negotiations, do you think that NWA will be facing a strike by the FA's as well? What's the potential for it? What's the potential that the PFAA coordinates their own "self-help" action alongside that of ALPA for greater effectiveness? I get the sense that any real strike talk is a bit further off for the PFAA, but the opportunity to put the screws to NW is certainly there. Well they certainly wont cross a pilots picket line. It seems they are willing to settle, but it sure seems to me that management Is holding to "we need these cuts or we will have to liquidate" If they keep this posture its not all that their going to be holding
peace,
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Feb 9, 2006, 2:28 pm
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I don't think the PFAA is quite ready or angry enough. If they do something it will be something like the C.H.A.O.S action that was threatened at US and UA.
CHAOS stands for Creating Havoc Across Our System and entails flight crews calling off sick at times that will cause the most disruption. Sorta like the Summer of Hell at UA.
Just an observers opinion.
CHAOS stands for Creating Havoc Across Our System and entails flight crews calling off sick at times that will cause the most disruption. Sorta like the Summer of Hell at UA.
Just an observers opinion.
Feb 9, 2006, 4:40 pm
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Feb 9, 2006, 5:29 pm
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Originally Posted by rwill11
It sure looks like the Judge did them a favor. They are close, and it would be a shame to do something stupid and risk alot of FA's getting fired before a resolution. OTOH the Pilots are much farther apart from management, but have way more bargaining power. So they are the bigger fish to fry. If the pilots stand their ground and then reach an agreement. Management may accept the FA's deal just to get the thing over and done with. However, which ever side of the argument you're on. No-one has heard any news or plans for what NW will become. Just a company controlled by lawers that know nothing except we have to cut cut cut. No dream, no plan, nothing. Whats a pizza called when it has no cheese and no sauce? Its certainly not pizza.
Feb 9, 2006, 5:33 pm
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Originally Posted by plagioia
Just because you've not heard any plans doesn't mean there are none. And actually, I love a great grilled pizza with veggies and a little olive oil and salt and pepper (and no sauce or cheeze) - yep, I still call it pizza. Take a pill, dude.
BTW since you know so much ....What's the plan?
Feb 10, 2006, 8:46 am
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Originally Posted by rwill11
I think the judge must make some kind of ruling on the 16th (unless both parties) agree to an extension. If the judge throws out the pilots contract. The pilots can go on strike then and there. Since they no longer have a contract and are not slaves. The union has already earmarked 10 million dollars for this, to help the pilots. I wouldnt be surprised if they took a strike vote before the 16th and walked on a bad ruling. NW says this would be illegal, the pilots say fly your own friggen planes. Nw wants to IMPOSE a contract. That wont FLY. so I wouldnt be surprised if it starts immediately.and lasts 3 days
Feb 10, 2006, 1:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Allanf
This is a very complicated issue from a moral and a financial standpoint.
Feb 10, 2006, 2:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Seattlenerd
Not to mention "emotional."
Post 9-11 the federal govt. has spent billions of dollars keeping airlines afloat. In fact the gov't gave the airlines MORE than their combined market caps in the months after 9-11 just so the US economy and the airline/travel industry would not take an even bigger hit.
I don't know how much NW was loaned/given from the Gov't, but I am sure they recieved federal $. I'm not saying that the Fed's would step in to prevent a liquidation, but it is a possibility. There are several other carriers operating in this country but lots of factors, most importantly the effect air transportation has on the US economy and the cities that NW serves that would loose service or only have limited service would all play a part if the airline moves toward liquidation.
What if anything the Fed Govt would do through and/or outside the BK court is anyones guess, but as stated in previous posts it is a very complex issue.
