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So whose perspective you are using

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Originally Posted by ExecDecisions

....This is not about wage concessions, since most Flight Attendants are willing to sacrifice to save the company and protect our livelihoods. This is about Job Elimination! Is this bargaining in good faith?

What by "our livelihoods", you mean flyers' livelihoods depend on FA jobs staying in America?

Enlighten me please

Can you provide an alternative

Where the words "fat" "old" and "monopausal" can be beautifully and receptively expressed?

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Originally Posted by murphy

Perhaps you didn't find his tone offensive. I think describing a woman as fat, old, and menopausal is extremely offensive. Don't agree with me? Think of someone describing your wife or mother that way.

Perhaps the reason some people have such terrible experiences has to do with the flight attendants sensing one's unhappiness at having fat old menopausal women working the flight.

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Originally Posted by rambling

but as I walked away I heard the man explain to his travel companion, "The airline industry is in the toilet. It's not like in the old days, when they could afford to hire sexy young stewardesses. They don't have the money to get good-looking, model-types who are our age, so they are stuck with what they can get for low wages. At what they are able to pay, the airlines can only get old ladies."
I hope the guy was not her life coach and mentor, as he had some fundamental misunderstandings.

That is an awefully long walk on a 757 to capture the full conversation: or was the man YELLING out those words?

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Originally Posted by nwaflygirl

Not true,

Foreign Nationals do not need to possess US visas. They enter the country and exit within a certain time frame (guessing here 24 hours), virtually trouble free. This is/was the case with our Asian interpreters (and European interpreters also, if anyone can remember that far back). They were/are all Foreign Nationals, not requiring a US visa of any kind.

This is also the plan for the future. Sort of the same thing, but on a massive scale. As long as the FA's originate from a foreign county, and their ground time does no exceed the allowable stay, they will never need to acquire visas.

Only citizens of the following 27 Visa Waiver Program countries (+ Canada) can enter the US without a visa, everyone else needs one:

Andorra, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brunei, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco,
Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Singapore, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, U.K.

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Originally Posted by bocastephen

Good grief! I am certainly not a proponent of outsourcing, however many of the statements in this post are inflammatory and stink of extreme hyperbole. Perhaps you're fearful that Asian trained FAs will provide superior onboard service delivery, like they do on Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines, Thai, etc. The only thing that I am fearful about is the culture shock some of these folks might suffer at the hands of American customers or abuse at the hands of angry domestic FAs.

Putting your lives on the line each day to insure the safety and security of the flying public??? Good grief...I am not even touching that one. I wouldn't even grant that one to the TSA, let alone flight attendants. I was unaware that flying was so dangerous - I am sure additional statements like these will encourage people to fly more.

I know it's bad form to feed the troll, but I couldn't hold my tongue (typing fingers) after reading this post. It was way too over the top.

I'm not defending individual experiences but it is easier to provide superior service when government subsidies allow you staffing levels you have never seen on NW.

Dead on about the American customers and the angry US FAs.

As for safety.....well I hope you and I never have to find out.

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Originally Posted by pmaddock

..... Further as a real frequent flyer I can say that there are a lot of FA's out there that have taken a "I have seniority so who cares what the customers think" mentality that I've seen more frequently over the last year....

Many can state that a lot of real frequent flyers have taken a "I'm a ****-elite member so I can act as demanding and rude as I please" mentality as well. It's a two sided argument.

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Originally Posted by MarcoPolosFootprints

Many can state that a lot of real frequent flyers have taken a "I'm a ****-elite member so I can act as demanding and rude as I please" mentality as well. It's a two sided argument.

So, are you a flight attendant, president, purser, mechanic or frequent flyer today, as your persona changes with each post???????? :rolleyes:

Programs: CO (Lowly) Silver

Oh, I forgot to look. Shoulda known. :td:

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Originally Posted by MarcoPolosFootprintsIt appears so from reading many ignorant posters' comments. Have at it boys but remember, when you're on my flight, [I

I'm[/I] in charge :eek:

I hope you do someday serve me on a plane, I'll love the chance to write a NICE letter to CO about the experience.

No personal attacks will be tolerated. Please edit your posts. It's the holiday season afterlong can't we all just get along.

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Originally Posted by bspencerco

I hope you do someday serve me on a plane, I'll love the chance to write a NICE letter to CO about the experience.

I know it was said with a tone of sarcasm but your experience will most likely be a positive one and the letter would be deserved, though I doubt it would actually ever be written.

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Originally Posted by ExecDecisions

Actually, this article was cut and pasted for an open review in this forum, as I am truly concerned about this issue. I was hoping for others insights on this topic.

So what you presented in the first person without quotation marks or any form of citation was someone elses writing, and even in admitting that you don't tell us the source.

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Originally Posted by ExecDecisions

With today’s cut backs I know screening cargo is limited not to mention the pressure TSA is under not to inconvenience the customers of the airline. Another poster held TSA with contempt. They actually are a very effective layer of security.

Cutbacks? TSA under presure not to incovenience airline customers? TSA a very effective layer of security? Have you travelled by air lately, say in the last 4 years?

Let me preface this post with the disclaimer that when I say "FA", I mean the average FA that comes to work and does a good job and smiles and really means it when they say "Have a nice day." I am the first one to admit that there are some less than desireable FA's in the NW system as well as at EVERY carrier.

1. Regional FA's are not trained the same and are absolutely not held to the same standards tha US based crews are. First of all, they are not required (as of yet) to pass a 10 year background check. Second, most of them have never set foot on a plane before they were hired. And last, regional FA's are not trained in the service that is provided on board (I know, I know, some US based FA's seem like they wee not trained as well).

2. While I agree that unions are losing their viability in the workplace, if pilots and FA's didnt have them, they would be flying about 12 hours a day, and I dont mean just from check-in to getting to the hotel. I mean actually at the controls or shoving you down an evacuation slide when the plane is on fire. Do you really wanted exhausted pilots at the controls of your flight? Do you want exhausted FA's trying to revive you when you had a heart attack or push you out the door after a crash?

3. NW is no different than any other airline; they want to maximize the productivity of their crews. Fine with me. But they now want to do that with people that do not take this job seriously and dont look at it as a career. Ive said it before and Ill say it again, I love my job! Ive tried to leave this industry 2 times now, and I have obviously come back.

4. All we ask of the flying public and from American citizens, is to see that our jobs should not, can not, and will not be outsourced to foreign nationals. Look at it this way; call JC Penny or a credit card company. What is the accent you hear? That isnt an American that understands what you are trying to tell them and you get frustrated and hang up! That is someone in India making about $3 an hour. Ironically, thats about what a "regional FA" makes, about 24 CY an hour.

5. The producct that we make is your safety. Check you the NTSB site and look up aircraft accidents. Look at how many poeple are saved during an evacuation because a Flight Attendant smelled smoke, or a Flight Attendant saw smoke in the cabin.

All we ask is that you help us keep jobs in America. If we dont stop NW, what company is next? Yours perhaps?

Good post, NWStew72.

Now brace for impact! :eek:

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Originally Posted by nwstew72

2. While I agree that unions are losing their viability in the workplace, if pilots and FA's didnt have them, they would be flying about 12 hours a day, and I dont mean just from check-in to getting to the hotel. I mean actually at the controls or shoving you down an evacuation slide ....

I think you need to reconcile this item with the FAA-mandated maximums.

Assuming that foreign airliners and crews are a majority in this world, why aren't they dropping out of the sky all over the place?

Mike in Mpls.

Apologist at Large