USA-ASIA EXPERTS ONLY PLEASE: Look at this error on NWA website....USA--BKK travel
 

Those of you with alot of experience with flying from east coast USA to
Bangkok will notice this error. I've flown many times on the above route,
always leaving between 9 and 12pm day X (for example Nov 20) and arriving before midnight day X+1 (for ex., Nov 21, local thai time). , and this is always with a short layover (a few hours) in detroit or MN and a short one in tokyo. Just did some flight searching and I see a bunch of flights on different different days all with this error: An overnight layover in SanFranciso, but still arriving at the usual time in BKK. They must have meant departing "pm" from Sf, not "am the next day".



Northwest Airlines 1407

Fare Basis Code: WSTD
Cabin: Economy
Award Level: Standard
Sun, Nov 20
1hr 36min
12:35pm Depart Washington (IAD)
2:11pm Arrive Detroit (DTW)
Plane Change
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Northwest Airlines 347

Fare Basis Code: WSTD
Cabin: Economy
Award Level: Standard
Sun, Nov 20
5hr 16min
7:00pm Depart Detroit (DTW)
9:16pm Arrive San Francisco (SFO)
Plane Change

Northwest Airlines 27

Fare Basis Code: WSTD
Cabin: Economy
Award Level: Standard
Mon, Nov 21
21hr 15min
1 stop 11:35am Depart San Francisco (SFO)
11:50pm Arrive Bangkok (BKK)

It’s not an error – just a crappy routing.

24-hours or less is considered a valid connection on an international itinerary… the routing displayed to you is one way to get to BKK departing on the 20th. Of course, you could also depart the next day and connect via DTW/MSP and simply your journey.

I've gotten routings like CUN-MEM, MEM-DTW (next day) many times...

I agree there's no error. It's letting you know there's an overnight. There's only one flight from SFO-BKK and it departs AM not PM. As the previous poster pointed out 24hrs or less is a standard connection for international. Since it looks like you're looking for reward tickets this might be the only standard award routing, while something else (East coast-DTW-NRT-BKK for example) might be available but only for rulebuster.

My point has nothing to do with "valid connections". It has to do with PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBLE ARRIVAL TIMES IN BANGKOK and PLANE SPEED.
If you had carefully read my post and if you knew as much as I do about flying to Asia from USA you'd know this is an obvious error....and a huge one. The plane would have to fly TWICE AS FAST (i.e., DOUBLE THE Speed) to reach bangkok by that time. Isn't it odd that my past itineraries to BKK with same departure time and a total of about 4 hours in layovers arrived in BKK the same exact time as the above flight, with layovers about 4 times longer?

p.s. Also notice the 2 or 2.5 hour flight time from MN and SFO above, but where NWA below that says flight time is about 5-6 hours?

Choom -- as far as 347 is concerned, that looks about right. Dep. 7 p.m. EDT (4 p.m. PDT), arrive 9:16 p.m. PDT.
And I think you are overnighting in SF.
27 leaves in the morning or early afternoon and, yes, the date should be Date +1, I think.

[QUOTE=mot29]Choom -- as far as 347 is concerned, that looks about right. Dep. 7 p.m. EDT (4 p.m. PDT), arrive 9:16 p.m. PDT.


Yes, you're right about that....But the rest of the point and the main point stands...it's a huge error. I repeat: " Isn't it odd that my past itineraries to BKK with same departure time and a total of about 4 hours in layovers arrived in BKK the same exact time as the above flight, with layovers about 4 times longer?" People who haven't had alot of experience with usa to asia travel on nwa in the past...please do not respond to this post.

You do realize that leaving SFO on Monday morning will get you to BKK on Tuesday night and not Monday, once you cross the International Dateline. That routing is arriving in BKK +2 days after departure not +1. And yes, I have flown to Asia quiet a few times.

Yes, that's the whole point. The printed itinerary is wrong because it clearly shows arrival on MONDAY night, especially clear when viewed on my PC screen.

I actually tried to make a reservation and there is an error on the seach page -- the page that displays the available itineraries. However, when I selected the flights, the next page, the itinerary showed the added day.
If you want to take the time, you might point this out on Talk to us on the NW www site.
tom

It does not clearly show arrival on Monday night. It says departure time is 11:45 AM Monday, November 21.

If you click through to the next step, you will see the arrival date and time into NRT (next calendar day) as well as the departure date and time from NRT to BKK.

I'm curious -- why book a five hour layover at DTW ? Ya that worried about being delayed out of DCA?

Bob H

My understanding is if there is no connection within 24 hours, the next connection is valid. Say you arrive 00:50 day one, the next connection to your destination is at 00:55 (obviously 5 mins is not a legal connection), so the legal connection would be arrive 00:50, depart 00:55 next day, 24 hrs and 5 minutes later. It could even be 36 hours and still be legal in cases where a flight does not operate every day.. (I've done such connections on MH, Malaysian).

Same applies with domestic travel. 4 hours for connections, but if no connection exists within 4 hours, the next connection applies.

Have done both and never had them count as a stopover.

SDF_Traveler

Departure and Arrival Times are local.

5 hrs 16 mins is correct, block to block. 3 hour time difference between DTW, eastern time, and SFO, Pacific time. Now you arrive at SFO 9:16pm and you overnight in SFO. Your flight departing for NRT to BKK does not leave until the next day. If you take this schedule, you would need to find lodging for the night.

BTW: Arrival in BKK would be +1 from SFO, only problem is it's not listed in the schedule you provide. Here is a breakdown of NW 27 from Today if this helps you:

Departs: San Francisco-Int'l, CA (SFO) - August 1st
Arrives: Tokyo-Narita, Japan (NRT) -> Arrive August 2nd
Aircraft: A330-200

Departs: Tokyo-Narita, Japan (NRT) - August 2nd
Arrives: Bangkok, Thailand ( BKK ) - August 2nd
Aircraft: A330-200

Hope this helps. It's not an error, but it's an overnight at SFO and you depart SFO the next day as noted with the departure date. It's not disclosing the arrival date, but if you go to the next page on nwa.com, it will disclose it.

SDF_Traveler

[QUOTE=mot29]I actually tried to make a reservation and there is an error on the seach page -- the page that displays the available itineraries. However, when I selected the flights, the next page, the itinerary showed the added day.

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When I go to the next screen (choose this flight, not the red "select" button) it does NOT show the added day. It still says arrive Bangkok Monday night.

YOU WROTE: TRY LOOKING AT THE WEB VERSION, WHERE IT'S FORMATTED. IT SAYS ARRIVAL MONDAY NIGHT,CLEARLY. I JUST LOOKED AGAIN ONE MINUTE AGO.
...CLICKING ON "CHOOSE THIS FLIGHT" (not the red "select" button" GOES TO ANOTHER SCREEN CLEARLY SAYING ARRIVAL MONDAY NIGHT.