Minors and Firearms
Jul 16, 2005, 5:26 am
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA, USA
Programs: Marriott Lifetime Titanium, Delta Million Miler, Hertz President's Circle
Posts: 85
Minors and Firearms
This may seem an odd question. Can a 17 year old fly unaccompanied with a firearm as checked luggage?
(Assuming of course that all other firearms requirements are met.)
(Assuming of course that all other firearms requirements are met.)
Jul 16, 2005, 9:13 am
#2
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 8,498
The published rules say nothing about age:
http://www.nwa.com/travel/luggage/sp...tems.html#fire
http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/e...orial_1666.xml
You should probably call both NW and the TSA to see what they say. And you might want to call each more than once to make sure you're getting consistent answers.
http://www.nwa.com/travel/luggage/sp...tems.html#fire
http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/e...orial_1666.xml
You should probably call both NW and the TSA to see what they say. And you might want to call each more than once to make sure you're getting consistent answers.
Jul 16, 2005, 12:06 pm
#3
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: SJC
Programs: AA EXP
Posts: 3,686
I didn't think it was legal for a minor to be in possession of a firearm unsupervised. That's you potential stumbling block, although no one may think about it.
Steve
Steve
Jul 16, 2005, 1:32 pm
#4
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 129
Does not sound prudent to me. I would call NW and TSA.
Jul 16, 2005, 3:07 pm
#5
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: HYX
Programs: ~IHG(p)/BW~Nat'l.Exec~ ~NW(SE)~ ~Cessna~ NASM.do-07 ~AAAF.do-05/06/07/08/09
Posts: 1,529
The published rules say .. http://www.nwa.com/travel/luggage/sp...tems.html#fire
The container or package must be clearly labeled as containing dry ice. ?? 
The bigger issue would be applicable to transportation to & from the airport at each end -- and we'll assume the OP has those legal matters under control.
So, it comes down to NWA's procedures for ANY passenger presenting a compliant luggage container.
I'd let NWA explain it to TSA.
dry ice ?? (shakes head)
/.
Jul 18, 2005, 10:27 am
#6
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: MSP (Mahtomedi, MN, USA) - Delta hub captive, Marriott Gold, US Mint Silver, CVS Red
Programs: "We've been starving, and sitting on a ham sandwich the whole time."
Posts: 1,482
this policy does not seem like it has been updated since those stupid TSA locks came about --
Luggage containing firearms must be locked and only the passenger may retain the key or combination. Airline personnel will not unload or handle firearms
http://www.nwa.com/travel/luggage/sp...tems.html#fire
PS the bit about the "dry ice" label aparently applies only to shotguns
Two (2) shotguns in two (2) cases considered as one (1) item The container or package must be clearly labeled as containing dry ice.
Northwest must have laid off their proof-reader staff.
Luggage containing firearms must be locked and only the passenger may retain the key or combination. Airline personnel will not unload or handle firearms
http://www.nwa.com/travel/luggage/sp...tems.html#fire
PS the bit about the "dry ice" label aparently applies only to shotguns
Two (2) shotguns in two (2) cases considered as one (1) item The container or package must be clearly labeled as containing dry ice.
Northwest must have laid off their proof-reader staff.
Jul 18, 2005, 11:04 am
#7
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 8,498
Originally Posted by wbl-mn-flyer
this policy does not seem like it has been updated since those stupid TSA locks came about --
Luggage containing firearms must be locked and only the passenger may retain the key or combination. Airline personnel will not unload or handle firearms
Luggage containing firearms must be locked and only the passenger may retain the key or combination. Airline personnel will not unload or handle firearms
Originally Posted by TSA Website
- The container must be locked.
- It is preferred that the passenger provide the key or combination to the screener if it is necessary to open the container, and then remain present during screening to take back possession of the key after the container is cleared. If you are not present and the screener must open the container, the TSA and/or airline will make a reasonable attempt to contact the passenger. If this is unsuccessful, the container will not be placed on the plane since unlocked gun cases (or cases with broken locks) are not permitted on aircraft due to Federal regulations.
Jul 18, 2005, 12:28 pm
#8
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: TVC
Programs: HH Diamond, NWA
Posts: 218
The last time I flew with a rifle was in late 2003. They wanted the passengers own lock, not a TSA one. This is still alluded to in the TSA site above, where it refers to either a keyed OR combination lock and the passenger providing access to the screener, which has been the airline at baggage check-in. They ask you to open the case and place a tag inside, then lock it back up and check it like any other bag. This is also still apparently the same as the TSA language refers to the "screener" as "the TSA and/or airline".
Jul 18, 2005, 2:25 pm
#9
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: LA, after growing up in London and living all over Europe
Programs: Ex-BD, ex-NW, ex-AA, BA Gold
Posts: 1,457
Surely the TSA isn't saying that TSA locks are insecure?????
Jul 19, 2005, 9:08 am
#10
Join Date: Mar 2005
Programs: NW, Marriott, HHonors, Westin
Posts: 57
Of course they are: Many many people can open them. With a gun case, only the passenger can open them and (if a combo lock) anyone they tell the combo to.
Aug 7, 2005, 9:53 am
#11
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: MSP
Programs: Fallen Plats, ex-WN CP, DYKWIW; still a Hilton Diamond & Club Cholula™ R.I.P. Super Plats
Posts: 25,415
Originally Posted by sllevin
I didn't think it was legal for a minor to be in possession of a firearm unsupervised. That's you potential stumbling block, although no one may think about it.
Steve
Steve
As long as it's legally possessed at both departure & arrival, I can't imagine that there would be a problem.
When I grew up the farm kids would drive in to school with .30-06's still hanging in the gun racks of their pickups. We didn't have any school shootings, either.