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It is unfortunately legal for businesses in Denmark to add transaction fees when handling a foreign issued credit card. It is not legal for businesses to add any fees when customers pay with a credit card issued in Denmark or with the danish "Dankort". There are some rules, though: 1: The credit card fee added by the merchant must not exceed the fee that the merchant has to pay to the credit card company, hence the merchant can't earn anything on the fee, and 2: The merchant must clearly display that fees are added when paying with a foreign credit card.
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Originally Posted by chrismo2
(Post 11404758)
It is unfortunately legal for businesses in Denmark to add transaction fees when handling a foreign issued credit card. It is not legal for businesses to add any fees when customers pay with a credit card issued in Denmark or with the danish "Dankort". There are some rules, though: 1: The credit card fee added by the merchant must not exceed the fee that the merchant has to pay to the credit card company, hence the merchant can't earn anything on the fee, and 2: The merchant must clearly display that fees are added when paying with a foreign credit card.
The merchant CC transaction fee is not solely based on percentage of sale. However nice city CPH is, I'll look for other destinations for long weekends. |
I don't think it has anything to do with the telephone number on the back of the CC, I think that is goes with the country, it's issued in. Danish credit cards, Mastercard(Maestro, Visa/Visa Electron are issued by PBS or a Danish bank. Danish American Express are issued by "Danske Bank".
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Originally Posted by onobond
(Post 11406797)
That sort of rounds up the problem, doesn't it? I was using an AMEX. All European Amex cards are issued in UK, does, however have the contact telephone number on the back to the country office where card holder lives. With a Danish Amex, issued in UK, but danish telephone #, no fee.
The merchant CC transaction fee is not solely based on percentage of sale. However nice city CPH is, I'll look for other destinations for long weekends.
Originally Posted by chrismo2
(Post 11465066)
I don't think it has anything to do with the telephone number on the back of the CC, I think that is goes with the country, it's issued in. Danish credit cards, Mastercard(Maestro, Visa/Visa Electron are issued by PBS or a Danish bank. Danish American Express are issued by "Danske Bank".
Looks as we're talking apples and pears. "Telephone number" might have read "Telephone number country code" to yet clearer point to what is the final decider. Without knowledge of Danish MC or Visa issuing, I have however had a couple of talks with AMEX representatives, who confirm: 1. All European AMEX cards are issued in UK 2. Instructions to merchants from PBS, who have a monopoly of all card transactions in Denmark, is to check back of card for telephone country code, when in doubt if credit card Danish or foreign. What I pointed out with my original post was that, in Denmark, au contraire to other countries, "foreigners" i.e. people paying with CC, despite of where the card is issued, but with other than Danish country code in contact telephone # on the back of card, have an extra fee of 3,75% on the card transaction. Discrimination based on gender, race, religion etc is illegal in civilised countries. Seems necessary to add, at least in Denmark, country of domicile, regardless if this be judged by CC telephone country code, color of passport or other random way of deciding what is Un-Danish. |
Originally Posted by onobond
(Post 11470298)
with other than Danish country code in contact telephone # on the back of card, have an extra fee of 3,75% on the card transaction.
Discrimination based on gender, race, religion etc is illegal in civilised countries. Seems necessary to add, at least in Denmark, country of domicile, regardless if this be judged by CC telephone country code, color of passport or other random way of deciding what is Un-Danish. |
I agree that it is discriminatory, but not all types of discrimination are illegal, and it is not illegal to discriminate on country of issue of a credit card. Discrimination based on gender, race and religion, is also illegal in Denmark. Nevertheless, the fee is a really bad idea and not good for tourism!
By the way Danish Supermarkets Bilka, Føtex and Netto will from May 2009 start accepting credit cards; of course they add a fee for foreign cards. Coop (Brugsen and Kvickly) started accepting CC around a year ago. Non acceptance of credit cards in supermarkets in Denmark was/is a big problem for tourists here due to the national debit card Dankort, which around 95% of all Danes possess, and which is much cheaper for merchants to accept and free for the customers. |
I would love for someone to show me how to acquire a Danish Dankort card or whatever it is called. I will be there in May and have time to set up an account or whatever is needed.
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Just paid with my Finnish credit card at the CPH Hilton, no additional charges were made.
Of course it's possible that Scandinavian cards are not regarded strictly foreign issue. |
Originally Posted by onobond
(Post 11086803)
Presently in Copenhagen, I was surprised to find many restaurants and shops have an extra charge of 3.75% on sales, when using a "foreign" credit card. The decision on what is foreign or not, is the country code in the phone # on the back. Using major restaurants, hotels and buying railway tickets, no extra charge. For that special present to yourself or someone special, or just stepping into the restaurant in front of you, this extra charge might be an ugly surprise.
Never seen this anywhere else in the world. Correct me please, if wrong
Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
(Post 11479723)
Just paid with my Finnish credit card at the CPH Hilton, no additional charges were made.
Of course it's possible that Scandinavian cards are not regarded strictly foreign issue. No, as stated in OT, major restaurants and hotels do not enforce this fee. But did you shop or eat in the city? |
Originally Posted by onobond
(Post 11482781)
No, as stated in OT, major restaurants and hotels do not enforce this fee.
But did you shop or eat in the city? |
Originally Posted by EasternTraveler
(Post 11471825)
I would love for someone to show me how to acquire a Danish Dankort card or whatever it is called. I will be there in May and have time to set up an account or whatever is needed.
Dankort is a debit card, but the system does not check if you have money on your accout when using it, it just checks to see if it is reported stolen! So you are able to "overdraw" your account really bad, and the banks will need some assurance that they will get the money in such case! But try walk into a bank, and ask about it! They will try their best to get you one! The biggets banks in Denmark are Danske Bank, Nordea, Jyske Bank! You might want to try Nordea, since they have some benefits if you are to travel to other nordic countries, the Baltics and Poland! |
Not paying and waiting for the police might not be a good choice
Originally Posted by graraps
(Post 11086953)
Is it noted on the menu and/or prominently posted on a wall?
If not, I would tell them that, unless they waive the fee, I am not paying them ANYTHING and that they should call the police if they have any problem with that. ;) I think you might be allowed to leave and withdraw cash from an ATM, if paying with a foreign credit card and incurring the fee upsets you. If you refuse to pay, you are committing a crime, since it is a specific crime in the Danish Penal Code to dine at restaurants without paying (sec. 298, p. 3). I think the police would probably tell you to pay, so they do not have to make your holiday unpleasant.
Originally Posted by onobond
(Post 11086803)
Never seen this anywhere else in the world. Correct me please, if wrong
Originally Posted by EasternTraveler
(Post 11108962)
What do they consider a foreign credit card?
I can use one issued in the USA, UK or IE. Foreign = Anything else. |
I don't know what makes the Danish retailers think they are entitled to be the only country in the civilized world that doesn't accept credit cards at this scale or charges to use them.
I guess it's their right not to get revenue from visitors. :rolleyes: It's not unique at all that retailers get charged a fee by the credit card companies. EVERY retailer gets charged a fee in EVERY country of the world. They simply include the cost in the goods or services they sell. Also, it's not 3-5 or 6%. It's negotiable on how much revenue you have and it's typically between 1-3%. Also, there's a % fee if you make a withdrawal with your debit card overseas as well. The consequence? Well, I haven't been to Denmark for a few years and we just waited to do all the shopping till we got to the next country. I got sick of running to ATMs and it's also pretty annoying to get stuck with Danish Kroner when leaving this consumer unfriendly country |
Originally Posted by tommy777
(Post 12095993)
I don't know what makes the Danish retailers think they are entitled to be the only country in the civilized world that doesn't accept credit cards at this scale or charges to use them.
I guess it's their right not to get revenue from visitors. :rolleyes: It's not unique at all that retailers get charged a fee by the credit card companies. EVERY retailer gets charged a fee in EVERY country of the world. They simply include the cost in the goods or services they sell. Also, it's not 3-5 or 6%. It's negotiable on how much revenue you have and it's typically between 1-3%. Also, there's a % fee if you make a withdrawal with your debit card overseas as well. The consequence? Well, I haven't been to Denmark for a few years and we just waited to do all the shopping till we got to the next country. I got sick of running to ATMs and it's also pretty annoying to get stuck with Danish Kroner when leaving this consumer unfriendly country I am not sure what annoys me more: the credit card fees in Denmark or the ATM withdrawal limits in Argentina and their withdrawal related fees. ;) |
I agree with your decision but not with your reasoning
Originally Posted by tommy777
(Post 12095993)
I don't know what makes the Danish retailers think they are entitled to be the only country in the civilized world that doesn't accept credit cards at this scale or charges to use them.
So there is really nothing special with Denmark in this regard, save that some Danish stores do accept international credit cards. The surcharge is for the cards issued non-nationally and as the signs clearly say: "the entire surcharge is passed on to the banks". In other words, if you are a non-loyal customer only visiting the store rarely, then the store wants you to pay the expense of the credit card surcharge yourself, since otherwise the loyal local customers would have to pay your surcharge through higher prices. This seems entirely reasonable. You can just pay in cash and avoid the whole issue. Besides, I think this surcharge is mainly charged in non-tourist stores like local supermarkets. If you are spending big money in a clothing store, I very much doubt they have the surcharge. Also, you write "I don't know what makes the Danish retailers think they are entitled ..." They are entitled through what is called: the forces of the free market. They make a profit doing this, and that is the way that works. I know that the free market is very popular in America, so I would think that on further consideration perhaps you would support this surcharge. ;)
Originally Posted by tommy777
(Post 12095993)
The consequence? Well, I haven't been to Denmark for a few years and we just waited to do all the shopping till we got to the next country. I got sick of running to ATMs and it's also pretty annoying to get stuck with Danish Kroner when leaving this consumer unfriendly country
However, Denmark is also very pricey. If you travel a lot, there are certainly cheaper options around, and that is why I would agree with your decision not to do big shopping in Denmark. At present, Sweden is the nearest cheaper option but the UK is also cheaper. I am naming these two countries because they also have reasonable consumer protection AFAIK. |
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