nacho

Some people who are in the registry of KFM probably don't bother to buy a ticket. They will get a bill and they won't pay it, what can Skanetrafiken do to them anyway? A small claim court would take them time and $.

Yeah it was pretty special that the old lady received a vaccination today has no mask on - I guess she is very confident that she will get immunity right away.

Another crazy thing: A BA flight successfully landed ARN despite flight ban: https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a...dade-i-sverige

CPH-Flyer

The plane was allowed to fly and land, just not allowed to bring passengers. Which they did.

Swedish media tried to make a thing about a second one to Landvetter, but that did actually arrive empty, and only brought passengers to the UK. Which is perfectly legal.

Im a new user

I think that Skånetrafiken (and others) should try doing like DSB:

• https://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/im...gratis-togture
• https://jv.dk/artikel/f%C3%A6ngselss...r-2015-8-28(3)
• https://sn.dk/Taastrup/Straffet-for-...artikel/830771

GUWonder

In other news, apparently the Swedish government must not have been taking this coronavirus as being a real risk at the time of its emergence in 2019. The Swedish PM made some statements that indicate that he thinks the virus only became a risk in 2020. Talk about provincial bubble thinking when it comes to Covid-19. 19 being for 2019, the name it was given in 2020 for a disease that became a noticed risk in 2019.

Even if it were a good idea to have a de facto debtor's prison of sort -- and I think it's pretty far removed from being a good idea -- I'm not sure that a debtor's prison idea would fly across the country given the country hasn't even had an enforced mandatory quarantine on arrival for those positive for Covid-19.

With less proper ticket checking going on with Skanetrafiken vehicles because of the pandemic, with fewer passengers using public transit because of the pandemic, with the ticket checkers more easily avoided by long-term cheats now due to the pandemic, and with the inability to buy tickets from the bus drivers because of the pandemic, I would say that a pandemic is a pretty weird time to start loading people into the criminal justice system for unpaid fares and fines for Skanetrafiken trips.

Fredrik74

Three ministers, so far, have been seen in crowded malls or ski rental shops.

One Rule For Me, Another Rule For Thee!

GUWonder

SVT or SR had some mention about mobility date from some company -- perhaps it was Telia -- showing that some traffic at Swedish ski resorts at this time in 2020 is at levels seen at this time in 2019. That is no drop in the mentioned kind of ski traffic.

It may have also noted that there was some far flung traffic to some Swedish ski areas at this vacation time in 2020 than in 2019, but I'm not sure about that. Either way, it wouldn't surprise me: there are people from across Europe who intentionally choose to book Sweden as their ski destination during this pandemic (rather than elsewhere) because of a presumption that Sweden would remain the most open and closest to "business as usual" of the Schengen countries when it came to ski trips. Of course now there are the Swedish bans on travel from the UK and from Denmark, and that's going to bite a bit into some of the foreign ski traffic in Sweden.

I'm trying to find out what is going on with the Swedish ski trains this season. Sweden blocking Danes would equate with more ski train spots for others, or perhaps marginally more empty compartments/berths/seats on the trains. But Swedes who would otherwise have chosen to go skiing in the Alps or elsewhere beyond Sweden are this year instead choosing to ski in Sweden this season.

PM included, but the involved incidents of ignored rules -- if they really seem to be incidents of ignored rules -- so far seem to not be a legally punishable offense.

GUWonder

As of December 29th, Sweden's Covid-19th death toll for the year was 8,484 people.
As of December 30th, Sweden's Covid-19th death toll for the year was 8,727 people.
It was a national holiday yesterday (and today), so no updated death toll for the last date of the year.

Even last night in the hours running up to midnight, Swedish border control was still encountering people from Denmark who weren't admissible to Sweden because they were coming from Denmark. The Swedish border control police at the Hyllie train station last night had to repeatedly escort small groups of passengers from the trains coming in from Denmark and put them onto the trains headed back to Copenhagen. And this is even more than a week after Sweden's Denmark ban had gone live. Most of the people from Denmark turned away by Swedish passport control on NYE were arriving into Sweden with little to no luggage. What a way to end 2020.

flyertalker0013223

Have there been cases of ping-pong between Sweden and Denmark, thinking especially of the 22 December? (Passenger arriving at Kastrup transiting to Sweden and caught in between.)

GUWonder

I am not yet familiar with any such thing happening around then or since -- meaning no repeat bounces by either one or both sides because of the other side refusing the turned away travelers on or after December 22nd. I haven't yet had a chance to ask those whom I would ask, but that outcome (of no repeat limbo) may be because Denmark seems to have let them back into Denmark when coming directly back to Denmark from Sweden. But at least some people who abandoned surface crossing plans after being in Denmark but before seeking admission into Sweden or who got escorted away by the Swedish police (when coming into from Denmark) later entered Sweden via more convoluted routes involving leaving Denmark.

GUWonder

The ski trains from Malmo and from Stockholm were pretty busy this evening, but less busy than usual at least from Malmo C. Loads of families with young children and also some groups of young adults and older teenagers. Almost no Danish heard on those trains from Malmo this time, very different than what is more typically the case for those trains from Malmo.

I am curious on why the train operators don't have a general suggestion for the windows in the train cars to be left open as much as possible. The compartments in those train cars rather typically have windows that can open at least a little bit.

I haven't (yet) heard of Swedish passport control turning back any people coming via train from Denmark with obvious ski stuff, but I would assume that most skiers from Denmark already knew about the futility of trying to take the bridge to go skiing in Sweden nowadays.

GUWonder

There are some Denmark-residing Danes who did pull off getting into Sweden to ski in Sweden even after the Swedish ban on travel from Denmark went live. They loaded up in Stockholm.

Im a new user

Eh, they just need to go to Gedser and then take the ferry via Rostock to Trelleborg, unless there are restrictions on entry to Germany.

GUWonder

Some flew into Stockholm to get onto the ski trains from there.

A Copenhagen to Gedser to Rostock to Trelleborg route to get to Swedish ski destinations?

Sounds like a ten hour trip just to get from CPH to Skane and then having to deal with Swedish parking and/or driving issues. Thus the flying into Stockholm to avoid that kind of thing.

Fredrik74

I see plenty of people in my social media who are posting from the ski resorts. Not much Covid worry there...

GUWonder

As part of my New Years communications to my circle of acquaintances in Sweden, I would have to say that it seems like a lot of them and others have been hitting the beaches in Mexico, getting over closer to the saltwater bodies east/south/southeast of Turkey, or been skiing in recent days/weeks. Many of them definitely did not drive their own vehicles to go skiing, and it seems like they are often using the indoor ski resort facilities a lot at least on the day of arrival and/or departure. Face masks while skiing? Not really, it's Sweden not the US. And it's warmer than usual.

This coming work week in Sweden comes with mask requirements -- or is it a recommendation -- for public transit users during something like the 7-9 am and 4-6 pm travel hours during the weekdays.