GUWonder

Ystad-Ronne is a big one for the more continental Danes who count on the ferry to get to homes/family there. How are those flights from Denmark to RNN nowadays?

A Denmark-residing Dane taking say a ferry from Sassnitz to Trelleborg would seemingly be still allowed into Sweden even with a ban in place for those Denmark-residing persons who would ordinarily come into Sweden across the bridge from Denmark. So a Dane going to Germany and then Sweden would still work. And an American-residing in Denmark could do the same.

These bans aren't meant to be as effective at preventing people from getting around them as they are to be a public posturing to reduce traffic or make a show of reducing traffic. It reminds me of when Sweden put up passport control in Malmo in 2015 for traffic from Copenhagen but left open the possibility to fly from CPH to Sweden without any passport control checks. I could get the cost of that flight down to the equivalent of 3-5 CPH-Malmo train tickets.

CPH-Flyer

SK just added two round trips on the 23rd and the 26th from CPH. If there is a big uptake, they might add additional capacity

GUWonder

$65 one-way per adult ticket + potentially the need for a rental car on arrival. Says the person who has never driven around the whole island but has biked the whole island.

For a Swede in Malmo to go to the island, it may be cheaper to fly from CPH to get to RNN than to take a ferry from Sweden to RNN.

nacho

Yeah, last time I was in Emporia I didn't hear any Danish.

I think whether someone can get in or not depending on the person who check at the Swedish border..

Im a new user

I don't know about the flights, but it said that there would be more ferries between Køge and Rønne than usual in response to the entry restrictions in Sweden. This is usually much slower but solves the problem with Danes being inadmissible to Sweden.

The Swedish parliament is usually closed during Christmas, but this time the politicians will have to meet to discuss and vote on a new temporary pandemic law so that the government gets more power to fight the virus. The plan is that the law will be in effect from the 15th of January. https://www.svd.se/pandemilag-pa-rik...bord-4-januari

The article is not currently behind a paywall, but this sometimes changes after a few hours. The article I linked to in post #1416 yesterday wasn't behind a paywall when I made the post, but it is now.

GUWonder

The proposed Swedish pandemic law is opposed in ways by the retired judge who is the ombudsman for this kind of stuff in the parliament. I'm with Krister Thelin on this and his implicit criticism about the country's handling of the pandemic in (not) using the laws it already has available to it.

Not surprised. Maybe you too got the sense that it was a collection of Romance languages, non-Scandinavian Germanic languages and Slavic languages that seemed way more popular there than usual when it comes to people who are not using Swedish bank cards or are who using cash. Danish presence this weekend was but a fraction of what it was on some weekends in Q2 and Q3.

The Danish plates on cars were a higher proportion of the plates at the big box stores near the Malmo IKEA than they were at the Emporia parking lots, but even there they were a smaller proportion than was the case in earlier quarters.

tsastor

Is having fun even allowed in Sweden?

nacho

When we were there there were over 50% with ME/North Africa origin, then there are other groups. I heard different languages but not so much what you mentioned (we only go there for ICA/Willys). White is the minority group there

I did see people at Willy's self-check out using cash to pay, people who have debt can't really have a bank account, so everything is in cash.

Of course it is - people are still having parties in Stockholm and Malmo, check the news.

GUWonder

The MENA background group there mostly uses Swedish bank cards. That's why I made my comment about those using non-Swedish bank cards or cash. When I mean Swedish bank cards, I mean they are issued by or against some kind of SEK account based in Sweden.

I am having fun in Sweden. I love being outdoors in the dark and even in the rain when it's dark, even as I would much rather have a ton of snow. I just make sure to take some reflective neon color high visibility outerwear so it's not my fun that burdens the healthcare system here at this time and accidentally ends my fun prematurely.

florens

We had to shorten our upcoming trip as Switzerland now imposes quarantine on anyone returning from Sweden which will be in place from 28th of December. We now only go from 24-27th of December. Decided to go to Sundsvall and Östersund. It should be relaxing, as we have hotel rooms with sauna and an airbnb with sauna and jacuzzi right by a lake.

Im a new user

To my knowledge, the only ones who can't pay by card are those who have gone bankrupt (personlig konkurs). If you "just" have some unpaid dept and the royal bailiff is trying to seize money to pay for this dept, then you can have a bank account with a debit card, but the bank would probably limit you to a safe card like Maestro or Visa Electron. In this situation, the bailiff would seize some of your salary and you'd just keep enough money for food and utilities.

Im a new user

https://www.svd.se/over-100-personer...danska-gransen

More than 100 people stopped at the border between Denmark and Sweden. Some of them were only transiting Denmark. They had landed at Kastrup and then took the train to Sweden. I wonder what happened to them when they are sent back to Denmark since they can't enter Denmark either unless they are merely transiting Denmark. They were transiting Denmark when they went from the flight to the train to Sweden, but they won't be transiting when they're back in Denmark because they were denied entry to Sweden. If they are aware of the rules, they could maybe go to bahn.de and book a ticket from Malmö to Rostock or Kiel (if they can enter Germany) and then go to stenaline.se and book a ticket from Rostock to Trelleborg or from Kiel to Gothenburg. This does of course take a lot of extra time and if they weren't aware of the Swedish entry rules then they are probably not aware of the train and ferry options.

There are many articles about the entry restrictions from Denmark in Sydsvenskan, but all of them are behind a paywall.

GUWonder

In honor of nacho, I went by Emporia. Ok, not really.

I actually went for a ride to see who was working passport control near it. From just the first train that I cared to watch arriving into Denmark from Sweden this evening after rush hour, I got to see 5 people escorted up and over to the train to Denmark. They had passports in hand when coming from Denmark to Sweden and were being sent back to Denmark by Swedish passport control for no reason other than they didn't fit into any of the exempted categories for the Swedish ban directed at people coming from Denmark.

As I've heard all day, the vast majority of people being turned back to Denmark from Sweden are men. And that's again how it looked to me for the bit of time that I cared to see in person what was going on today.

Fredrik74

It's Malmö after all.

Assyrians in Södertälje are famous for their weddings.

It's bad optics. I've thought from the beginning that if middle class Swedes start to think it's the immigrants fault the infection rate is so high then there will be unpleasant times ahead.

GUWonder

It will be interesting to find out if there were any ping-pong traveler situations today -- situations arising as a result of the Swedish ban for travel from Denmark sending some travelers back to Denmark.

Sweden was turning back some people to Denmark even months ago, and that was while travel to Denmark was banned for most people from even Skane. And some of them were definitely not Danish citizens/residents. I say this because a ping-pong situation would not be a new possibility for this border crossing during this pandemic.