nacho

https://www.visitdenmark.com/denmark...Fd8W1ffxB2O2Bo

Fredrik74

I have noticed the effort to downplay the number of dead. Apparently it's not really worse than swine flu and some other months.

This gives us two distinct options:

1. The leaders of all other civilised nations either made a huge mistake or deliberately overstated the effects of covid-19. This is something that they can't get away with and should be punished by long jail sentences and many more actions to reverse this.

2. The Swedish establishment is desperately trying to downplay the effects of covid-19 because they realize the numbers don't look good and need to find an excuse. Fast. This also needs long jail sentences.

GUWonder

The quote provided mentions permanent residence, which is distinct from being a permanent resident with a permanent resident permit. Maybe this too is another YMMV situation.

It still seems bizarre to me that all Danes and lots of Swedes can go back and forth between Denmark and Sweden, all while Denmark wants to insinuate that it’s an effective measure to exclude some Swedes from going to Denmark to do the kind of things Danes did in Sweden this past weekend and can continue to do in Sweden.

MSPeconomist

Unless the Danes and Swedes are different or behave differently, allowing dates seems the antithesis of social distancing. It won't be a successful date or relationship if the couple keep a moose (2 meters) between them. Moreover, engaged once meant that there was a ring and if not a wedding date, plans were being made. Now fiance/fiancee just tends to mean current boyfriend/girlfriend, with no wedding necessarily in sight or being planned/discussed in any way.

WilcoRoger

Of course there are hardly any short term visitors from America or India, given that the Schengen borders have been closed for a while now to third country visitors.

CPH-Flyer

So Denmark should just do like Australia, ban most people from leaving the country as well as ban entry?

Joking aside, since Sweden has kept their border open, it does undercut the closure in the other direction as Danes returning from Sweden would carry the same risk as Swedes going over. You could probably argue that if you opened the border to Swedes fully, you'd increase the overall traffic and thus the potential number of cases coming in. You could probably also argue that Malmö is more at risk from Copenhagen than vice versa.

The Swedish Secretary of Foreign Affairs was arguing that Denmark could feel absolutely certain that no people from Stockholm would cross an open border, as Swedes are advise not to travel more than two hours away from their home. And of course no one in Sweden disobeys the guidelines.

GUWonder

“Old Swedes” never disobey the guidelines ..... in dreamland. In the real world, it just seems to be the case that a lot of 65+ year old Swedes at stores and other places don’t know how to keep to the recommended distance even when there are clear pictorial signs on the floor and other visual aides advising to keep a distance as recommended by the Swedish health authorities.

Even in Stockholm’s richer neighborhoods, parental disobeying of health recommendations for daycare kids was considered so bad in recent months that the staff were either explicitly or implicitly instructed to act as a kind of nose police and started checking kids for the mildest runny noses, sneezes and so on even when out on the playgrounds this spring. Even when not sick with an infection, people outdoors in the cool wind can get runny noses and sneeze; but these kids and their parents become the casualty of so many people disregarding the recommendations that even having mild childhood asthma and allergies result in teachers getting worked up enough to make calls to the parents to bail out of work (or whatever) and pickup the kids immediately.

Skane accounts for less than 15% of all Swedish deaths from this virus. I am of the thought that Malmo is at greater risk for this virus from/via Copenhagen and from/via Stockholm than anywhere else at this point. Currently, Malmo healthcare service providers seem to be in their own form of situation normal even with this virus around in bits.

Gothenburg’s healthcare service providers, however, are seeing a rise in pressure on them from this virus this week.

Fredrik74

I know some parents in Danderyd that have complained loudly that their kids have not been welcome at the kindergarten for very minor symptoms. I guess there could be a bit of a Karen syndrome going on but if not even a pandemic can persuade them to adapt then we're doomed.

nacho

GUWonder

Even as Danderyd has some apartments and some sort of poorer sections, these same kind of complaints have been coming from Nacka, Kungsholmen, Lidingo, Bromma and so on too. Weirdly, the suggestion in Sweden may be the same for this coronavirus as it is for the norovirus or whatever else causes those “winter puking” bouts that seem so very prevalent in Sweden with daycare kids and other young kids: approved to return c. 48 hours after observation of last symptom.

The people with young kids who take this pandemic most seriously are too often the ones being threatened with having children lose their daycare spots or with threats of beingreported to the social service authorities for kids missing too much school.

MSPeconomist

What's going on in Lund?

GUWonder

Lund and Malmo may as well be the same when it comes to more serious healthcare needs. A lot of people in Malmo use Lund hospital or work in Lund. It’s not unusual for Lund U-affiliated persons to live in Malmo, including many of its students

Case counts don’t mean a whole lot in southern Sweden, given how little testing is done and whom they tend to test and not test. But Lund’s reported numbers are low too IIRC.

FWIW from my asking around in no scientific way, the healthcare workers working in Lund and in Malmo seem to continue to have a way easier time with COVID-19 cases than their peers in Stockholm, Gothenburg and Copenhagen have faced.

GUWonder

There are US and Indian passports users in Sweden and in Finland on visas that fall far short of providing permanent resident status in any Schengen country. Some of these people have Danish dates.

nacho

I think it's coming to Skane, it's seem it's Gothenburg's turn now. Now that we are allowed to go by car for 2 hours, which means that people from Gothenburg can spread it down to Skane.

GUWonder

What’s going on with the Falsterbo horse show this summer? That draws in so much of the Stockholm crowd and such a large contingent of the hugging, horse women crowd from across the country and even other European countries that it could be its own super-spreader event.

Update: it’s been cancelled.