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Old Apr 14, 20, 2:16 am
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Originally Posted by Fredrik74
March 2020 is higher than 2019 but lower than 2015 and 2018.

2015 there were 8339 dead 1-30 March
2016 there were 7755 dead 1-30 March
2017 there were 7843 dead 1-30 March
2018 there were 8918 dead 1-30 March
2019 there were 7334 dead 1-30 March
2020 there were 7704 dead 1-30 March
On average there were 8038 dead 1-30 March

I excluded 31st since it's probably work in progress. It could be final but in that case it's low...

https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/s...tik-over-doda/
It will be interesting to see April, but yes March so far is nothing out of the ordinary.

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March had very few deaths in Sweden from this coronavirus. It wasn’t until after March 30th that the numbers started jumping up big time.
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Old Apr 14, 20, 4:22 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
March had very few deaths in Sweden from this coronavirus. It wasnt until after March 30th that the numbers started jumping up big time.
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Old Apr 14, 20, 4:37 am
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The deaths from this virus in Sweden in April is going to be more than 5x the deaths from this virus in Sweden in March. We aren’t even half way into April and Sweden is already around 4x March deaths from this virus in Sweden.

It was foreseeable that March would be a walk in a Swedish park and April being more akin to a walk in the cemetery (or around a crematorium), when it comes to deaths from this virus.
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1033 now listed as dead from this in Sweden, an increase by 114 from yesterday.
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Numbers of dead have been updated now. I checked first seven days of April and 2020 is about 10% higher than the other years. That's even when 7th is quite obviously not fully reported yet.
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Old Apr 14, 20, 1:24 pm
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I am betting that the border controllers dealing with this group too are a potential super-spread vector for this virus in Denmark and around southern Sweden.
Why on earth would they be?

At Kastrup they are sitting in booths behind glass windows. They do handle passports, but I trust they are smart enough to wash their hands and use sanitizer. In Hyllie they are supposed to walk through the train, but in my experience they are conspicuous by their absence.

Immigrations at Kastrup is really easygoing, by the way. All I have to say is "I'm on my way to Sweden" to get waved through. And no, I do not have a Danish or Swedish passport.

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Originally Posted by Fredrik74
Numbers of dead have been updated now. I checked first seven days of April and 2020 is about 10% higher than the other years. That's even when 7th is quite obviously not fully reported yet.
And all of this is with the benefit of many people distancing themselves from others even before and when the government restrictions were borderline non-existent in Sweden.
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Originally Posted by Fredrik74
Numbers of dead have been updated now. I checked first seven days of April and 2020 is about 10% higher than the other years.
Will be really interesting to see the figures in the medium term, i.e. this year and next.

My neighbor, a university hospital ER traumatologist, confirmed the obvious, to whit that the vast majority of those who die of covid-19 are elderly, frail and suffer from a host of other illnesses. He also bluntly added that almost all of them would have died in the next six to 12 months from one cause or another anyway. If he is right (he treats these patients, so I figure he knows more about all this than I do), a peak in mortality caused by covid-19 should be followed by below average numbers in the next couple of years.

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And all of this is with the benefit of many people distancing themselves from others even before and when the government restrictions were borderline non-existent in Sweden.
Sweden, population 10m, 1,000 deaths
Belgium, population 11m, 4,000 deaths
Greece, population 10m, 100 deaths

Any thoughts?

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Apparently tourism to parts of southern Sweden was up substantially in recent days.
Using all the vacation homes in my neighborhood as a yardstick, there was certainly an increase in occupancy, but considerably lower than normal over Easter.

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Originally Posted by johan rebel
Why on earth would they be?

At Kastrup they are sitting in booths behind glass windows. They do handle passports, but I trust they are smart enough to wash their hands and use sanitizer. In Hyllie they are supposed to walk through the train, but in my experience they are conspicuous by their absence.

Immigrations at Kastrup is really easygoing, by the way. All I have to say is "I'm on my way to Sweden" to get waved through. And no, I do not have a Danish or Swedish passport.

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I know the Danish government allows people enter from Kastrup and to Sweden (as long as they show that they are living in Sweden), not the other way round. However, I have seen foreigners living in Sweden reporting they are allowed in by showing their boarding passes..

Some immigrants (I don't think it's right to call them expats) living in Sweden reported that they were allowed to drive through Denmark to Germany.
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Originally Posted by johan rebel
Sweden, population 10m, 1,000 deaths
Belgium, population 11m, 4,000 deaths
Greece, population 10m, 100 deaths

Any thoughts?

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Lombardy 10 m 11,000 deaths.

Outcomes vary substantially and it's almost like you can judge how effective their efforts have been. Especially the not Italian countries since all others could see what happened there. Since Sweden looks to somewhat later on the curve I reserve judgement there but so far I'm not sure either way.
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Originally Posted by johan rebel
Sweden, population 10m, 1,000 deaths
Belgium, population 11m, 4,000 deaths
Greece, population 10m, 100 deaths

Any thoughts?

Johan
Always.

Density, demographics, lifestyle habits, testing (of even the hospitalized & dead), mitigation efforts, timing and exposure to virus and viral load are not uniform.

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Originally Posted by johan rebel
Will be really interesting to see the figures in the medium term, i.e. this year and next.

My neighbor, a university hospital ER traumatologist, confirmed the obvious, to whit that the vast majority of those who die of covid-19 are elderly, frail and suffer from a host of other illnesses. He also bluntly added that almost all of them would have died in the next six to 12 months from one cause or another anyway. If he is right (he treats these patients, so I figure he knows more about all this than I do), a peak in mortality caused by covid-19 should be followed by below average numbers in the next couple of years.

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Having relatives and other close acquaintances who are working as doctors in the US, UK and Sweden — including in the hot spots in each of these countries — many of them call bunk on the claim that all off the dead COVID-19 patients would have been dead in the next 6-12 months even in the hypothetical absence of this novel coronavirus. As a matter of coping with exposure to suffering and deaths, some doctors come up with various rationalizations about people dying in front of them with this virus too. One such coping mechanism: to believe that the dead patients would have died anyway very soon either way.
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