Fredrik74

Yes, this is probably correct. I mean, I don't know about these particular people but everything points to someone on a temp contract. Obviously it would be easier to get rid of such employees.

On a related note it looks like some people I know have been 'working' from ski resorts. Looks like there's no shame about going skiing and/or working away from home.

GUWonder

Among others I know to be there, there are some of my relatives still at Vemdalsskalet skiing. I have not been there.

The seasonal, youth employees are vulnerable also on the basis of the rules for the employer-provided accommodations. IIANM, they got fired (or told they were fired) on Sunday, which is usually a popular arrival day for weekday/week-long visitors. Apparently the fired employees -- or maybe some of their acquaintances -- reported to the police that their employer/boss who came and busted up the party was a trespasser of some sort. Quite the spectacle when even the ski school kids are talking about it.

Working from a vacation home of some sort has been very popular everywhere I frequent, and ski resort areas are definitely up there in having been popular WFH getaways.

Update: I found out some employees at Vemdalsskalet had their first ever day of staffing the ski lifts today and thus had to rely upon information from other employees to know how to handle matters at the lifts.

GUWonder

Time to investigate whether Sweden's testing requirement for UK citizens returning (from the UK) to their homes in Sweden is a violation of the Brexit withdrawal agreement. Since Sweden doesn't require such testing for Swedish citizens returning from Sweden to the UK, it may be a hard sell to say that UK citizens resident in Sweden should be subject to this kind of discrimination -- even as it's the same kind of discrimination that happens to other non-Swedes resident in Sweden -- when coming from the UK.

Sounds like a perfect time for Sweden to mandate that Swedish citizens flying to Sweden from the UK need to present to the airline the same kind of test results as foreign citizens resident in Sweden need to present to the airline and Swedish passport control when coming from the UK. One way to try to avoid (further) violations of the withdrawal agreement.

nacho

As I said, the family I know who have c/o address is not physically living in Sweden. They left Sweden more than 7 years ago and their names are still c/o to another person's address.

I don't think the informal rental market has much to do with house prices. You are looking at different clientals here: the ones who can buy can also afford first hand contracts (not that there's no rental in Malmo but they are at the price tags that some people can't afford) or they are living in a bostadratt already; the informal market consists of different styles: there are some who rent out a whole apartment second hand and some turned an apartment into sections and rent them out part by part. Some of the second hand rentals are organized by some people.

I don't know if people can get a samordningsnummer nowadays without a rental contract.

GUWonder

Is more or less of that happening during this pandemic? Just wondering where the people decided to hunker down during this pandemic.

Given the divergence between rental costs on the formal market and on the informal market, and given how home purchase affordability has a link to home rental availability in this market that already before the pandemic had a housing problem in easily accessible/accessed areas, I would be very surprised if the rising home purchase prices in Sweden during this pandemic has come in an environment without any change also in the rental market.

It's really much harder to gauge what's going on across the Swedish rental market than in the home ownership market.

nacho

This pandemic has nothing to do with the attractiveness of a EU passport - if they squatted long enough they can get a EU passport which gives them access residency in all EU countries and free education.

A lot of people can't get a mortgage in Sweden - people have no stable income and people who have income from Denmark. There are also some who want to wait before buying, so there is still huge demand for rental market.

The new restrictions in Sweden seems vague to me.

vanillabean

I don�t know if �wanted� is the right term, but Denmark does now.

"Uagtet, om man er dansk statsborger eller ej, skal man kunne fremvise en negativ coronatest, der maksimalt er 24 timer gammel, for at kunne komme ind i Danmark med fly. Kan man ikke det, m� man enten vente, til man er rask, eller finde anden transport for at komme ind i landet.�

Danmark indf�rer indrejserestriktioner for hele verden
https://nyheder.tv2.dk/politik/2021-...or-hele-verden

nacho

During the press conference after the minister said Danish citizens who are living in Denmark who are tested positive will have to find another way to get back to DK. Basically by flying into either Germany/Sweden and then cross by land/sea into Denmark.

GUWonder

Danes can wait away until they are negative and then head back to Denmark directly by air too or otherwise. Will some who are Covid-19 positive try to get back by indirect means? I would assume that may happen to some degree.

I would guess that Swedish residential rental prices have gotten worse (as in higher) during this pandemic in Sweden, but I'm not sure yet if that is indeed what took place.

Denmark's approach to testing requirements for returning travelers of sorts is indeed going to be more comprehensive than is the case for Sweden.

The Swedish government knew about the possibility of having a testing-of-passenger demand put upon the transport service providers allowed to take passengers to Sweden, but the government only went with it in a way for most non-Swedish persons admissible into Sweden from the UK.

GUWonder

It seems like stores in Sweden are going to need to make sure there is at least 10 square meters of space per person in the stores. While it may not sound like a problem for many people, there are some very busy small grocery stores -- stores where 10 square meters of space per person may mean long lines on the streets -- mostly during the after work weekday hours but maybe even at some other times -- stores that may have no easy way to monitor and enforce how many people come inside/are inside without making staffing increases for that purpose.

Violations of the limit won't mean fines for shoppers/customers, but it may mean fines for the commercial venues. The fine schedule applicable to stores/gyms/etc in violation of the limit is still undetermined.

GUWonder

Swedish hospitals in various parts have had to cancel a variety of urgent medical care because Covid-19 patients are overwhelming them.

As of January 7th, Sweden's reported Covid-19 death toll had reached 9,262 people.
As of January 6th, Sweden's reported Covid-19 death toll had reached 8,985 people.
On December 30th, the reported death toll was 8,727 people.

Fredrik74

I saw that my nearest ICA Maxi had added tents with open sides(is there a better word?) outside in order to help shoppers wait somewhat sheltered from possible adverse weather. On the other hand there weren't so many people there at the same time as me.

GUWonder

ICA Maxi, as the name suggests, are usually rather large. The ICA Nara stores are much smaller, and yet those ICA Nara stores are the most frequent grocery shopping destination for some people; and sometimes they are even the primary place to buy groceries for people who have small fridges/freezers or don't easily manage to frequently get to a larger grocery store. I expect to see some long lines at times at some of the smaller ICA/Coop/Willys grocery stores in Stockholm; and those ones usually don't have much sidewalk or parking space to have a large tented waiting area. Online grocery shopping for pickup/delivery? That will work for a lot, but it can come with higher costs in one way or another.

Maybe nacho can confirm this, but I heard that Willys at Emporia had a huge increase in staffing in stores due to online grocery purchases during this pandemic, and so there are now way more store employees around the aisles during this pandemic than was the case before the pandemic. The ICA at Emporia, however, apparently didn't have anywhere near as big an increase in staffing during the pandemic.

CPH-Flyer

As Sweden set the date in the reporting as the day the person actually passed away, it is interesting that the 7th reported 277 fatalities, the 8th reported 171 fatalities, yet the 7 day moving average for the 6th is only 19, and the reported fatalities for the 6th is only 12. It gives us an idea of the level of delay in the reporting of fatalities in Sweden.

The really interesting question: is this quite normal in comparable countries and we just don't know as basically all countries just publish the statistics based on the day of reporting, or is the Swedish system not very efficient for tracking the covid-19 fatalities?

Considering the approach of let's basically only report numbers 3-4 times over Christmas and New Year's, makes me wonder whether a) the system is really not geared for working with an emergency situation and b) if the Swedish authorities still really don't see this as a grave situation. A key point to respond is to have up to date and clear data and statistics. Of course the authorities may have that, and just not share it. Though that raises more areas of concern for me.

Fredrik74

To be honest I think the anwer to both a and b is Yes.

On the other hand I think it could be true that the Swedish numbers are of no worse quality than others. I must admit I don't really see how other countries can report deaths on the same day the happen with the reason(and I believe this is not something that was invented 2020 but would have existed before). It's easy to think that if it is so then it could be because the various layers of government agencies in Sweden don't cooperate that well. Then you'd have to wonder why only Sweden?

I guess this, again, shows why I now focus on the political side of this pandemic. I don't think the Swedish government and its agencies are functioning that well. I'm really curious to see how it works elsewhere. I know things haven't gone so well on the other side of the pond but let's see if that changes with the change of guard or if it's something more entrenched than that.