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Old Jan 7, 2018, 11:11 am
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"Traditional" Restaurant Recommendation for NYC

I need FT's help! In order to celebrate the birth of our first grandchild, I want to take my wife somewhere special in Manhattan. But here's the catch: we're not really Michelin star types. IOW, we favor outstanding execution of traditional dishes over "inventive" constructs. On the other hand, neither of us regards a steakhouse as sufficiently special for this occasion.

In an ideal world, we'd find a place able to execute classic French or even northern Italian cuisine flawlessly, accompanied by really fine wine (but less than $400 a bottle fine). Any ideas?
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Old Jan 7, 2018, 11:40 am
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Originally Posted by MaxBuck
I need FT's help! In order to celebrate the birth of our first grandchild, I want to take my wife somewhere special in Manhattan. But here's the catch: we're not really Michelin star types. IOW, we favor outstanding execution of traditional dishes over "inventive" constructs. On the other hand, neither of us regards a steakhouse as sufficiently special for this occasion.

In an ideal world, we'd find a place able to execute classic French or even northern Italian cuisine flawlessly, accompanied by really fine wine (but less than $400 a bottle fine). Any ideas?
For classic French, I ate at a spot called Boucherie 1-2 months back that makes you feel like you are in Paris. The food is excellent, the ambiance as well - it's laid back but has a classy atmosphere. I rarely eat French in NYC, so this is really my only opinion on this outside of upper-end places like Daniel, JG, etc.

Italian - there are lots of good choices in the city. Northern Italian cuisine can be a bit broad (i.e. are we speaking Tuscan here, or something more Ladin, a la South Tyrol?), but for spots that are upscale (and yes, some of these are Michelin-starred) but are delicious without being too ostentatious, I would suggest Lupa, Babbo, or Carbone. ETA: L'Artusi is another great moderately upscale casual Italian spot to eat.

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Old Jan 7, 2018, 11:52 am
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Originally Posted by MaxBuck

In an ideal world, we'd find a place able to execute classic French or even northern Italian cuisine flawlessly, accompanied by really fine wine (but less than $400 a bottle fine). Any ideas?
Yes.

La Boite en Bois
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Old Jan 7, 2018, 5:02 pm
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I love Ai Fiori, a northern Italian restaurant in the Langham hotel. Housemade everything, elegant but not fussy. But still a decidedly fine dining vibe. They have a Michelin star, I think.

I also really like Locanda Verde, in Tribeca. Excellent food in a more neighborhoody kind of place.

http://aifiorinyc.com/menus/dinner_menu
http://www.locandaverdenyc.com/menus/
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Old Jan 7, 2018, 6:51 pm
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Meh I'm mixed in Locanda Verde. I recall it being good but not memorable.

We're big fans of Mailano (don't live in NYC but family does and it's been a birthday selection multiple times).
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Old Jan 8, 2018, 5:39 am
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Meh I'm mixed in Locanda Verde. I recall it being good but not memorable.

We're big fans of Mailano (don't live in NYC but family does and it's been a birthday selection multiple times).
Love both of these spots (although I have only been to Locanda Verde for brunch / lunch, not dinner). I enjoyed my one time at Ai Fiori, although my wife thinks the quality has dipped the past couple times she has been there. For a 1-Star Michelin, it always has a lot of availability.
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Old Jan 8, 2018, 10:37 pm
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Classic French? La Grenouille. Old School!
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Old Jan 9, 2018, 7:00 am
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I don’t know your budget but for classic French I would probably say Le Bernardin. Dropping down on cost I would suggest Balthazar.
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La Grenouille is wonderful. Jacket-and-tie still, by the way. You may exceed $400 for a couple however.
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I don't think I'd call Le Bernardin classic or traditional. It's traditional in terms of the decorum: men must wear jackets, the sommeliers (yes, plural) wear tastevins on chains around their necks, etc. And I wouldn't call the food avant garde, either, but you won't find traditional dishes on the menu.

For truly classic French, I'd put in another vote for La Grenouille.
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Old Jan 9, 2018, 2:30 pm
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Originally Posted by themicah
I don't think I'd call Le Bernardin classic or traditional. It's traditional in terms of the decorum: men must wear jackets, the sommeliers (yes, plural) wear tastevins on chains around their necks, etc. And I wouldn't call the food avant garde, either, but you won't find traditional dishes on the menu.

For truly classic French, I'd put in another vote for La Grenouille.

Fair enough. I was really thinking more in terms of "not avant garde".
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Old Jan 9, 2018, 2:36 pm
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Agree with others, La Grenouille is a fine choice if you "favor outstanding execution of traditional dishes over 'inventive' constructs."
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Old Jan 9, 2018, 9:13 pm
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La Grenouille is wonderful. Jacket-and-tie still, by the way. You may exceed $400 for a couple however.
I think that was just for the wine!
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Old Jan 10, 2018, 5:15 pm
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Recently read a TERRIBLE report on La Grenouille: https://ny.eater.com/2017/12/28/1682...estaurants-nyc.

French:
Benoit
Vaucluse
Le Coq Rico (for French roasted chicken specifically)
The NoMad (slightly less traditional than the above, but absolutely wonderful and in a beautiful space)

Italian:
Marea
Maialino

If I had to pick top two of the above it would be The NoMad and Marea.
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Old Jan 10, 2018, 8:19 pm
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Many restaurants allow you to BYO (bring your own) wine. The corkage charges vary, but even if you pay $75 corkage, all you have to do is go to a good wine store ie Chambers Street, and buy a good bottle. A $100 bottle of wine will set you back $250 - $300 if you were to buy off the list.

$100 bottle of wine + $75 corkage (varies, so call the restaurant) = $175 outlay. You'll drink better wine, and save a few bucks.
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