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Analise Apr 18, 2014 6:52 am


Originally Posted by nrr (Post 22721958)
If you have a half-fare EZ-Pay metrocard, there is an additional perk: If you use more than a monthly card, all trips from that point are FREE (for that month).

Anyone with an unlimited metrocard can enjoy that perk and use it as often as she or he likes. Half fare, however, isn't available to the general public. It is available to those 65 and older and those with the following disabilities:


• receiving Medicare benefits for any reason other than age* • serious mental illness (SMI) and receiving Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits • blindness • hearing impairment • ambulatory disability • loss of both hands • mental retardation and/or other organic mental capacity impairment
https://www.easypaymetrocard.com/vec...s/disabled.pdf

Blumie Apr 18, 2014 7:13 am


Originally Posted by Analise (Post 22723852)
...and the MTA pocketed his money with that deactivation. That's what is egregious.

What are you talking about? Have you unearthed another in a never-ending line of left wing conspiracies?

Analise Apr 18, 2014 9:04 am


Originally Posted by Blumie (Post 22723952)
What are you talking about? Have you unearthed another in a never-ending line of left wing conspiracies?

My goodness, you may need to relax more. What are YOU talking about? ;)

Did you decide to ignore gfunkdave's post or were you just too emotional to READ that the MTA deactivated gfunkdave's account while keeping over $52 of his money on his Metrocard? Whatever your reason for not paying attention, I'll repost this as a kindness for you.


Originally Posted by gfunkdave
Hey, thanks Analise. The online account summary says there's a $10.something on the card. I suspect there's an issue of some sort with my transportation flex Mastercard that funds it. Perhaps I ran out of money on it temporarily. (edit: no, it says my balance is $52.50).


themicah Apr 18, 2014 9:08 am


Originally Posted by Analise (Post 22724396)
Did you decide to ignore gfunkdave's post or were you just too emotional to READ that the MTA deactivated gfunkdave's account while keeping over $52 of his money on his Metrocard? Whatever your reason for not paying attention, I'll repost this as a kindness for you.

First, $52.50 was the balance on gfunkdave's debit card that he uses to fund the Easypay Metrocard, not the balance on the Metrocard itself.

Second, if gfunkdave did still have a balance on the Metrocard itself, the MTA didn't pocket the money. They just suspended his ability to use it until he fixed his account.

Blumie Apr 18, 2014 10:18 am


Originally Posted by Analise (Post 22724396)
My goodness, you may need to relax more. What are YOU talking about? ;)

Did you decide to ignore gfunkdave's post or were you just too emotional to READ that the MTA deactivated gfunkdave's account while keeping over $52 of his money on his Metrocard? Whatever your reason for not paying attention, I'll repost this as a kindness for you.


Originally Posted by themicah (Post 22724423)
First, $52.50 was the balance on gfunkdave's debit card that he uses to fund the Easypay Metrocard, not the balance on the Metrocard itself.

Second, if gfunkdave did still have a balance on the Metrocard itself, the MTA didn't pocket the money. They just suspended his ability to use it until he fixed his account.

Thank you, themicah, for explaining this.

These types of pre-paid cards (metrocards, ezpass transponders, starbucks cards, retail gift cards) are beneficial for the vendor because they get your money up front, which is of huge value to them. But it's still your money to use or, typically, to be refunded if you don't use it. The MTA didn't "pocket" anything. (I don't know the extent to which they are applicable to government agencies, but generally states have very strict rules as to when a vendor can "pocket" value from a gift card that's been lost or abandoned by the owner.)

Nugget_Oz Apr 18, 2014 1:01 pm


Originally Posted by themicah (Post 22724423)
First, $52.50 was the balance on gfunkdave's debit card that he uses to fund the Easypay Metrocard, not the balance on the Metrocard itself.

Second, if gfunkdave did still have a balance on the Metrocard itself, the MTA didn't pocket the money. They just suspended his ability to use it until he fixed his account.

It's good that there are still a few on FT who passed grade school English.

nerd Apr 18, 2014 3:44 pm


Originally Posted by Analise (Post 22724396)
My goodness, you may need to relax more. What are YOU talking about? ;)

Did you decide to ignore gfunkdave's post or were you just too emotional to READ that the MTA deactivated gfunkdave's account while keeping over $52 of his money on his Metrocard? Whatever your reason for not paying attention, I'll repost this as a kindness for you.

Sometimes I'm about to stop myself from posting something stupid on FlyerTalk, and then I think, "What the hey, it's Friday! <Submit> ".

ijgordon Apr 20, 2014 4:28 pm


Originally Posted by themicah (Post 22724423)
Second, if gfunkdave did still have a balance on the Metrocard itself, the MTA didn't pocket the money. They just suspended his ability to use it until he fixed his account.

Why do they need to suspend it? Why can't they just let you use it until the balance runs down to zero? (Or less than $2.50?)

nrr Apr 20, 2014 4:45 pm


Originally Posted by Analise (Post 22723888)
Anyone with an unlimited metrocard can enjoy that perk and use it as often as she or he likes. Half fare, however, isn't available to the general public. It is available to those 65 and older and those with the following disabilities:

https://www.easypaymetrocard.com/vec...s/disabled.pdf

A (semi) related side note: The London Oyster card has a perk, for everyone, once you exceed the amount that a day card costs, all trips from that point on are FREE. [Similar to what I noted with the EZ-Pay senior 1/2 fare card...you don't have to commit yourself to buying a monthly pass, and perhaps not making full use of it.]

Blumie Apr 21, 2014 8:11 am


Originally Posted by ijgordon (Post 22733663)
Why do they need to suspend it? Why can't they just let you use it until the balance runs down to zero? (Or less than $2.50?)

In a perfect world (1) the customer would get an email informing them that replenishment of the card failed, (2) the card would continue to work until the balance were depleted, and (3) the cardholder could solve the problem on line without having to wait on hold for 40 minutes. But the MTA doesn't exist in a perfect world.

themicah Apr 21, 2014 9:40 am


Originally Posted by Blumie (Post 22736047)
In a perfect world (1) the customer would get an email informing them that replenishment of the card failed, (2) the card would continue to work until the balance were depleted, and (3) the cardholder could solve the problem on line without having to wait on hold for 40 minutes. But the MTA doesn't exist in a perfect world.

Exactly. On #3, I find e-mail a much more painless way to communicate with them than calling. It might take a little longer to get an answer, but at least I'm not sitting on hold.

Also, I'm 90% sure that when this happened to my wife I was able to fix it by just doing a manual payment online with a valid credit card. Of course I had to figure out what the problem was first.

gfunkdave Apr 21, 2014 9:52 am


Originally Posted by Blumie (Post 22719409)
I use an EasyPay Express metrocard and haven't had any problems. The MTA "decided" to deactivate gfunkdave's card because his method of payment was declined. Hard to blame them, no? gfunkdave, were you not able to fix the problem simply by logging into your account and revising the payment method?

Yes, this is true - but I still had to call to get them to turn the card back on. And it only took 24 hours to start working again.


Originally Posted by themicah (Post 22719696)
They definitely suspend accounts if a replenishment attempt is declined and you don't have a valid backup payment method. So it's important to always have a backup credit card linked to your account AND to keep the expiration date of the backup card updated. My wife experienced exactly the same thing as gfunkdave when her TransitChek debit card had insufficient funds and I neglected to keep current the expiration date of the backup credit card on her EasyPay account.

It WOULD be nice if they sent you an e-mail letting you know your account had been suspended and explaining why, though.

But overall the Easypay cards are incredibly convenient, as I never have to worry about whether I have a sufficient balance on my card (or my wife's card or our nanny's card). And if I lose it, a simple e-mail to EasyPay customer service will immediately put a hold on the old metrocard and transfer the balance to a new one. It takes about a month to get the new card, but it's still better than losing a regular pay-per-ride card, where you'll never get the balance back.

So yeah, it's not perfect, but I still think it's way better than the available alternatives, especially if you're a pay-per-ride user (if I was an unlimited user I might be more reluctant to get EasyPay, since you can't "time" when you start your month).

Yeah, agreed here. I just wish they'd go full speed ahead with replacing the MetroCard system with a contactless option instead of the constant dithering.



Originally Posted by Analise (Post 22723852)
...and the MTA pocketed his money with that deactivation. That's what is egregious.

Nah, they just held the account until I called and got it reactivated.

And FWIW, I added a regular credit card as backup to the account so this won't happen again. I had been hesitant to do so because I don't trust the MTA's IT abilities at all and didn't want to trust them to store a normal credit card. The account allows only a 4 digit PIN as a password, for crying out loud.

ijgordon Apr 21, 2014 1:40 pm


Originally Posted by Blumie (Post 22736047)
But the MTA doesn't exist in a perfect world.

Hence the rants on FT.

Though to be honest, I don't think you need a perfect world, just some pretty basic and common sense functionality built into the system. Which is apparently lacking.

Blumie Apr 21, 2014 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by ijgordon (Post 22737693)
Hence the rants on FT.

Though to be honest, I don't think you need a perfect world, just some pretty basic and common sense functionality built into the system. Which is apparently lacking.

Actually, I think the lesson of this thread is that one should know the facts before starting a rant. Sounds to me like much of the problem was of the OP's own making. Certainly there are things the MTA could improve upon, but we can't blame them for our own mistakes!

mbelsky May 23, 2019 6:42 am

Damaged card
 
Sorry to revive an extremely old thread, but hoping some who have commented may have a solution for me.

My easy pay MetroCard has gotten worn and is asking me to swipe again more and more often. If I report it damaged online, it says my current card will immediately be deactivated.

That's dumb, as I cannot get a new card before my current one stops working, and continue to use my current card until the replacement arrives.

I'm going to try calling when they open at 9, but am not super helpful. Isn't this a fairly common scenario that they should have planned for? There should be an option to get a new card that will only deactivate the old one once I either activate or use the new one.


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