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pgary Sep 1, 2009 1:45 pm

  1. Bank of Internet has competitive interest rates. For example, the High Yield Savings is 1.73/1.75%
  2. I use the Bank of Internet checking account for ACH withdrawals from foreign ATMs. Good exchange rate, and the bank reimburses the foreign bank's ATM fee.
  3. Cash interest is taxable. Miles are not. So the BankDirect miles offer can be quite competitive, depending on how you value your miles.

Happy Sep 1, 2009 4:48 pm


Originally Posted by thehawk75 (Post 12313706)
Oh, don't get me started on the current policy. .... Some how believe a policy of bailing out and now proving that our banking system is a cartel run by the Federal Reserve, not happy with artificially setting the cost of credit to near zero, but, actually out right debasing our savings (quantitative easing), is even going to help the indebted house speculator (I refuse to use the term 'home owner'). Effectively the bank issued in the form of credit (on literally so few reserves that you could pretty much call it 'out of thin air') is being monetized (i.e. not just a claim on a house anymore, they're being monetized out of their poor position), at the expense of anyone 'foolish enough' to have thought savings and capital formation is what brings prosperity and independence. How dare we think that you should spend less than you earn?

On the bright side, these piss poor interest rates prove I'm not forgoing much income parking my money in one of man kinds oldest currencies. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised to see some thing similar to an executive order 6102 -- for the 'good of America' of course, at some time in the future.

Guess what?

Yesterday I saw a flyer on our banker's desk at Wachovia - 3.5% downpayment on FHA loans at xx % effective Sept. Guess the current administration thinks it can re-inflate the bubble and work our way out of this mess.

Our banking system is run by a cartel formed by Fed + FDIC + GS alumni, aka Treasury.

Yup, those of us who believe living under our means could not even qualify for the Cash for Clunker because the "combined" mpg was reclassified by EPA as 21 mpg on a 13 years old Camry! :mad:

I saw a new TV ad today - the Pledge of Debt Payment, by a group of Kindergarten children...

Regarding the oldest form of currency... there is a "New" talk going around that, because the velocity of Money is now near 0 (banks not lending to small business, and people losing jobs), there would not be inflation, despite the quantitative easing...
However, somehow I think US has to destroy the USD in order to effectively make the mounting debt worth only 0.50 per dollar when it slowly pays back some amount to its debtors (namely China and Japan)... China has been crying Foul but it is being hostaged and could not do anything about it!

dayone Sep 1, 2009 5:21 pm


Originally Posted by Happy (Post 12315814)
Guess the current administration thinks it can re-inflate the bubble and work our way out of this mess.

Our banking system is run by a cartel formed by Fed + FDIC + GS alumni, aka Treasury.

Yup, those of us who believe living under our means could not even qualify for the Cash for Clunker because the "combined" mpg was reclassified by EPA as 21 mpg on a 13 years old Camry!

I saw a new TV ad today - the Pledge of Debt Payment, by a group of Kindergarten children...

Regarding the oldest form of currency... there is a "New" talk going around that, because the velocity of Money is now near 0 (banks not lending to small business, and people losing jobs), there would not be inflation, despite the quantitive easing...
However, somehow I think US has to destroy the USD in order to effective the mounting debt worth only 0.50 per dollar when it slowly pays back some its debtors (namely China and Japan)... China has been crying Foul but it is being hostaged and could not do anything about it!

I always enjoy a good laugh. Thanks for your post.

tuscanyx Sep 1, 2009 9:20 pm

Another liquid option
 
GE Corporate Notes. http://www.geinterestplus.com/learn.html you can not get miles with this one. it has a better rate than what you can get in a bank but it's not FDIC insured. however, it's a relatively safe place to park your cash until you figure out how to invest your money. read the info on the page carefully.

rkjflyer1 Sep 2, 2009 8:20 am


Originally Posted by Happy (Post 12313615)

Didn't mia already give you a compelling example on AA miles with Bankdirect? That is about as many miles you can get and at a "perceived" high rate of return, depends of course, how you value your miles and would you actually pay out of pocket to buy a $2200 TATL biz tkt. I for one, think mia's option is as good as it can get, especially for anyone who would not travel international longhaul anything less than business class.

:td: Not really helpful. Bankdirect has been mentioned quite a few times in this thread already. It is an OK option if you only want miles. For me. miles would be a sweetener but I was looking for better places to put liquid funds in than a bank account that pays zilch in the way of interest.


If there are any more better options, people would have posted by now. :rolleyes:
What makes you assume every FTer has already read this thread?:rolleyes:

rkjflyer1 Sep 2, 2009 8:23 am


Originally Posted by skofarrell (Post 12312084)
Thanks for the advice rkjflyer1. I hadly think 4-5 posts is derailing a thread, but by now you've probably already figured out that your options are pretty slim.

The bank that was offering miles for deposits has gone under.

You can park money in an interest bearing account at Fidelity or TD Ameritrade for 6 months to get bonuses for opening accounts with AA, Delta, and a few others. Its a one time shot, and since you've been a member since 2001, I'm guessing you already exhausted those. If you haven't, check out "financial partners" for your favorite Frequent Flyer program's website.

You can also buy a house and get miles for the mortgage, but I've found those offers to pretty much suck interest rate wise.

That's pretty much it. Interest bearing accounts with banks exist. But there are no miles. http://www.bankrate.com

Now this is helpful, thanks.:) Yes indeed, it looks like there are very few options if you are purely looking to earn miles with your cash.

rkjflyer1 Sep 2, 2009 8:33 am


Originally Posted by tuscanyx (Post 12316859)
GE Corporate Notes. http://www.geinterestplus.com/learn.html you can not get miles with this one. it has a better rate than what you can get in a bank but it's not FDIC insured. however, it's a relatively safe place to park your cash until you figure out how to invest your money. read the info on the page carefully.

Great, thanks. ^ This is more along the lines of what I was looking for along with the preferred share ETFs and closed end funds mentioned previously in this thread. I am also looking into foreign government bonds. Of course, these instruments are only for those people who can tolerate a slight risk of loss of principal in exchange for a much better yield than bank accounts.

Long Zhiren Sep 2, 2009 9:21 am


Happy writes:
Indeed... Does the poster know Guaranty Bank failed on Aug 21?!
I didn't really know. I just know that my branch never closed. There was even a customer appreciation day this last Saturday the 29th with doughnuts (but there's doughnuts every day!), etc. On Aug 22, it officially became BVBAA Compass or something like that. I suppose that the flow of AA miles will probably come to a halt. I just got my latest pile. Maybe I'll check out BankDirect to keep the flow going.
Anybody have any good ideas for what to do with hundreds of thousands of AA ff miles? JAL or Cathay Pacific to China? Qantas to Australia/NZ?

Happy Sep 2, 2009 10:31 am


Originally Posted by rkjflyer1 (Post 12318941)
Now this is helpful, thanks.:) Yes indeed, it looks like there are very few options if you are purely looking to earn miles with your cash.

Isn't it now confirmed by others that the miles earning opp with idle cash were far and few in between as most already knew? Even yourself now ADMIT it. That is what I refer to, mile-earning opportunities with idle cash - as that is what your original posted query. You did not say you were also seeking other financial advices on how to maximize your cash return. :rolleyes:

Good luck in looking at the preferred ETFs at this stage of market.

As I said, others would post if they know about anything they feel would be "new" data on miles earning opp, whether me and skofarrell have any exchanges or not. It is a forum anyone can post and comment. You can choose NOT to read our posts, dont you? ;)

Happy Sep 2, 2009 10:37 am


Originally Posted by Long Zhiren (Post 12319402)
I didn't really know. I just know that my branch never closed. There was even a customer appreciation day this last Saturday the 29th with doughnuts (but there's doughnuts every day!), etc. On Aug 22, it officially became BVBAA Compass or something like that. I suppose that the flow of AA miles will probably come to a halt. I just got my latest pile. Maybe I'll check out BankDirect to keep the flow going.
Anybody have any good ideas for what to do with hundreds of thousands of AA ff miles? JAL or Cathay Pacific to China? Qantas to Australia/NZ?

Guaranty Bank was shut down by FDIC and then being taken over by BBVA - not BVBAA. It is Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria, a Spanish bank just so you know. In modern day bank closure, the shut-down does not affect the depositors in most part. FDIC tries hard to make it a seamless transition as much as possible. Though FDIC's fund has dwindled from 60 billions last year to now less than 10 billions. But not to worry, FDIC can always borrow from Treasury or Fed, which in turn, can always PRINT money, essentially create money from thin air, with the costs being born by taxpayers in the many years to come.

You should have received a notification letter regarding the AA program by now. The existing AA program would continue till end of December. AA has removed the partner from its website already.

There is a dedicate thread in AA Forum.

Also your questions on how to use your hoard of AA miles would be much better served in AA forum - there is even a STICKY on OneWorld Award - a specific AA award that works differently than other AA awards (AA has 3 types of awards).

skofarrell Sep 2, 2009 11:07 am


Originally Posted by rkjflyer1 (Post 12319021)
Great, thanks. ^ This is more along the lines of what I was looking for along with the preferred share ETFs and closed end funds mentioned previously in this thread. I am also looking into foreign government bonds. Of course, these instruments are only for those people who can tolerate a slight risk of loss of principal in exchange for a much better yield than bank accounts.

Unfortunately, the 2% rate (for 50K or less) isn't high enough for me given that banks are paying the same rate for passbook savings and CDs. Not to mention the the lack of capital protection that comes with buying corporate bonds. The risk of GE going under is pretty low, but then again, 2 years ago no one would have thought GM, Chrysler, or Lehman Bros would have gone under as fast as they did...

ceieoc Sep 2, 2009 9:39 pm

How about 3% at an FDIC insured bank
 

Originally Posted by Happy (Post 12313615)
:td:

Didn't mia already give you a compelling example on AA miles with Bankdirect? That is about as many miles you can get and at a "perceived" high rate of return, depends of course, how you value your miles and would you actually pay out of pocket to buy a $2200 TATL biz tkt. I for one, think mia's option is as good as it can get, especially for anyone who would not travel international longhaul anything less than business class.

If there are any more better options, people would have posted by now. :rolleyes:

^

OK...I;ll post. I get 3% interest on checking at https://www.mercbank.com/
There is a catch. The base interest rate is 2% with a 50 basis point bump if you do a direct bill pay each month. There is also another 50 basis point bump if you use their debit visa card and make 5 transactions each month. It's easy to pay $1.00 on a recurring bill each month and buy five bananas at the store as separate transactions for the extra 1%. The 3% interest rate is limited to $75,000 per account but you can have multiple accounts.

Hope this helps. Mercantile Bank is based in Michigan and closed their Ann Arbor office last month. Their Lansing, Michigan office would be happy to help you open an account.

harryhv Sep 3, 2009 3:14 am


Originally Posted by thehawk75 (Post 12313706)
On the bright side, these piss poor interest rates prove I'm not forgoing much income parking my money in one of man kinds oldest currencies. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised to see some thing similar to an executive order 6102 -- for the 'good of America' of course, at some time in the future.

Given the Zimbabwe-like hailstorm of money-printing, consider moving some savings to gold stored at the Perth Mint

scrog Sep 3, 2009 12:38 pm


Originally Posted by ceieoc (Post 12323732)
OK...I;ll post. I get 3% interest on checking at https://www.mercbank.com/
There is a catch. The base interest rate is 2% with a 50 basis point bump if you do a direct bill pay each month. There is also another 50 basis point bump if you use their debit visa card and make 5 transactions each month. It's easy to pay $1.00 on a recurring bill each month and buy five bananas at the store as separate transactions for the extra 1%. The 3% interest rate is limited to $75,000 per account but you can have multiple accounts.

Hope this helps. Mercantile Bank is based in Michigan and closed their Ann Arbor office last month. Their Lansing, Michigan office would be happy to help you open an account.

My credit union just started paying 4%, but only up to $20,000 and you must do 15 debit card transactions a month (I bought 8 nectarines this morning, one at a time, and will buy 7 more tomorrow).

I'm going to go to Mercantile Bank's branch in Holland and open an account.

Thanks a lot for the great tip.

ceieoc Sep 3, 2009 2:58 pm

Get an interest bonus for your loyality at Flagstar Bank
 

Originally Posted by scrog (Post 12327186)
My credit union just started paying 4%, but only up to $20,000 and you must do 15 debit card transactions a month (I bought 8 nectarines this morning, one at a time, and will buy 7 more tomorrow).

I'm going to go to Mercantile Bank's branch in Holland and open an account.

Thanks a lot for the great tip.

What's the name and website of this credit union? I might be able to qualify for an account there. I like the 4% interest rate on a savings account.

Flagstar Bank (Michigan) also has a loyality program that, to qualify, makes you do an average of 15 transactions per month or one automated bill pay. As my other credit card program uses my automated bill pay transaction, about every 55 days, I give any teller at any Flagstar branch office 30 deposit slips, starting a 1 cent and going to 30 cents to satisfy the requirements of their loyalty program. I don't see how making these additonal transactions makes me a more loyal client of Flagstar Bank, but, Flagstar sent me a letter demanding I make these extra transactions or lose the special loyality rate. It seems like the Flagstar headquarters is making a lot of extra work for their bank tellers because a teller suggested I could purchase 15 one cent stamps at the post office using the Flagstar debit card instead of making these deposits at the bank branch office.


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