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Shcc69 May 11, 2009 9:32 pm

Trip within a trip allowed by airlines????
 
Does anyone know if the airlines let you book a round trip, say on Monday the current week to DC returning the following week on Wednesday, but book another trip within the time frame leaving from DC on Wednesday the current week and returning to DC on the following Monday? The fare is much lower than if you book 2 trips leaving Monday, returning Wednesday and then leave Monday returning Wednesday

mahasamatman May 11, 2009 10:13 pm

This is called back-to-back ticketing and is expressly forbidden by most if not all airlines.


Originally Posted by Shcc69 (Post 11733298)
The fare is much lower

And now you know why they forbid it...

ArizonaGuy May 11, 2009 10:40 pm

Which is why I do this occasionally but on separate airlines, preferably mileage-earning partners.

You might even explore one way ticketing options. Perhaps to DC on Monday, then a round-trip ticket departing DC Wednesday, returning Monday, and another one way departing again Wednesday. Or if you're going to do this repeatedly, just buy a single one way ticket to your destination and book a bunch of round trips starting from DC. Often a round-trip is cheaper depending which side you start from. Need to look at every option.

EasternTraveler May 12, 2009 9:19 am

Be done and had tickets cancelled. :td:

smilee May 12, 2009 11:18 am

Is back-to-back legal if you use two different airlines.

Say you book SEA-ORD on AA, and a back to back ORD-SEA on AS.

Would AA say that it is back to back and charge you extra? Could you use your AA account for both?

EasternTraveler May 12, 2009 4:29 pm


Originally Posted by smilee (Post 11736213)
Is back-to-back legal if you use two different airlines.

Say you book SEA-ORD on AA, and a back to back ORD-SEA on AS.

Would AA say that it is back to back and charge you extra? Could you use your AA account for both?

How would they know if it is two different airlines. Posting occurs after flight not before. But don't do something that would get their attention.

sbm12 May 12, 2009 4:38 pm


Originally Posted by smilee (Post 11736213)
Is back-to-back legal if you use two different airlines.

It is never "illegal" but it is a violation of the CoC. They can cancel your tickets or terminate your FF program membership but you're not going to jail.

That being said, using two different airlines is quite fine since you are following the CoC of each airline for the ticket you have with them. A codeshare is a rather gray area (AS code on AA metal and then AA code on AA metal) but I wouldn't risk that one.

CopperSteve May 14, 2009 12:40 pm

Separate airlines should be fine. I once did EWR-PVG-EWR on CO and did a one-night trip PVG-NRT-PVG on Ana in the middle. Didn't think anything of it.

Stripe May 14, 2009 12:52 pm

I have done this a couple of times without a problem on NW:

Ticket 1: AUS-MSP-DTW on day A, DTW-AUS on day B.
Ticket 2: DTW-AUS later on day A, AUS-DTW earlier on day B.

Ticket 2 is entirely within ticket 1. The only difference is that I had a companion on ticket 2.

sbm12 May 14, 2009 12:52 pm


Originally Posted by CopperSteve (Post 11748901)
Separate airlines should be fine. I once did EWR-PVG-EWR on CO and did a one-night trip PVG-NRT-PVG in the middle. Didn't think anything of it.

That routing wouldn't be a problem anyways. What you did is end-on-end ticketing and is, in the vast majority of fares, completely acceptable.

It is only a problem for the airlines when you nest trips to avoid fare rules.

Beckles May 14, 2009 1:13 pm


Originally Posted by Stripe (Post 11748978)
I have done this a couple of times without a problem on NW:

Ticket 1: AUS-MSP-DTW on day A, DTW-AUS on day B.
Ticket 2: DTW-AUS later on day A, AUS-DTW earlier on day B.

Ticket 2 is entirely within ticket 1. The only difference is that I had a companion on ticket 2.

This is back-to-back ticketing and is expressly forbidden in NW's Contract of Carriage. Just because others have not had a problem with it doesn't change that you may have a problem with it and it is a violation of the contract of carriage.

I believe all the other legacy carriers have similar rules in their contract of carriage.

soitgoes May 14, 2009 1:25 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 11738168)
It is never "illegal" but it is a violation of the CoC. They can cancel your tickets or terminate your FF program membership but you're not going to jail.

People use the terms legal/illegal because the airline industry has historically used them in the context of fare rules. It does get confusing because legal/illegal in this context has nothing to do with breaking laws.


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 11738168)
That being said, using two different airlines is quite fine since you are following the CoC of each airline for the ticket you have with them. A codeshare is a rather gray area (AS code on AA metal and then AA code on AA metal) but I wouldn't risk that one.

Yeah, the safest thing is--different metal, different code, and different ticket stock.

Happy May 14, 2009 1:39 pm


Originally Posted by Stripe (Post 11748978)
I have done this a couple of times without a problem on NW:

Ticket 1: AUS-MSP-DTW on day A, DTW-AUS on day B.
Ticket 2: DTW-AUS later on day A, AUS-DTW earlier on day B.

Ticket 2 is entirely within ticket 1. The only difference is that I had a companion on ticket 2.

I believe this type of nesting is forbidden. Consider you are lucky that it did not cause trouble for you.

OTOH, if your ticket 2 is DTW to somewhere else then back to DTW, then it is not a violation of rules.

titanzrule32 May 15, 2009 11:21 am

I haven't had issues with back-to-back trips; granted they were flown with different airlines/alliances.

Roundtrip 1 on UA: Depart IND-MHT Sunday week 1, return MHT-IND Thursday week 2
Roundtrip 2 on NW: Depart MHT-BNA Thurdsay week 1, return BNA-MHT Sunday week 2

As long as you use different airlines, you should be fine.

al613 May 15, 2009 11:31 am

Do you know anyone who had a problem with bact to back?


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