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dkerr Sep 6, 2003 11:25 am

Can I transfer points from a single Continental account to multiple Amtrak accounts?

For example, lets say I want to move 50,000 continental miles. Can I transfer 25,000 to my own Amtrak account and 25,000 to my spouse's Amtrak account?

Also, am I right in thinking that there is no limit to the number of miles I can transfer from Continental into Amtrak. (I understand there is a limit on transferring out of Amtrak accounts.)

Thanks,
DAK

gleff Sep 6, 2003 12:10 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by dkerr:
am I right in thinking that there is no limit to the number of miles I can transfer from Continental into Amtrak.</font>
You are correct. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/starsmilie.gif

Flying Buccaneer Nov 10, 2003 9:49 am

I transferred 25K miles from CO to Amtrak last Tuesday. They showed up in my Amtrak account today, and I ordered the 25K miles for my UA account.

Can anyone who's done this tell me how long that transfer takes?

Thanks!

gleff Nov 10, 2003 10:41 am

If all goes according to plan they should post in your United account around 8pm Eastern this Friday evening.

christianj Nov 10, 2003 10:47 am

Unless there is a screw-up in the transfer like there was in September. There are numerous posts about people who transfered in September still waiting for miles transferred to UA from Amtrak to post. I am one of them and it has now been 8 weeks and counting. Talked to a supervisor at Amtrak last week and she assured me she would get this worked out for me. I'm glad I wasn't planning on using the UA miles right away. Just trying to clear out my CO NONEPASS account like so many other people who cannot use their miles.

Flying Buccaneer Nov 10, 2003 12:27 pm

Thanks for the info. I'll post an update when the miles show in my UA account.

michaelr Nov 10, 2003 7:30 pm

I have about 35000 NW, 60000 UA miles and Ms. michaelr has 25000 NW, 25000 UA miles. I am thinking to move all of our miles to Amtrak and then onwards to UA.

How do I initiate the NW-&gt;CO transfer? Do I call WorldPerks and ask them to do the transfer? Can I only credit future NW flights to CO?

The Amtrak transfer is limited to 25000 per year. We will both get another 15000 NW miles in January. Can I transfer the 25k per account this year and another 25k next year in February?

michaelr Nov 10, 2003 7:40 pm

I should read before I post. It's already answered in this very thread. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redface.gif

quinella66 Nov 11, 2003 7:10 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by flyin'-N-cryin':
"AA: credit your miles to Midwest and transfer Midwest --&gt; Amtrak --&gt; United"

Does he mean, when you take a new flight you tell them to put those miles on your Midwest account? So it's only good for future stuff.
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Yes. Once the miles are posted, you cannot move them like this. You can only get them credited for a new flight. That is like the CO-DL-NW scheme. You cannot move miles between the programs, but for a new flight, you can have them credited to whatever program you want. The only thing to watch is that partners do not inherit other airlines' partners. So, for example, if you take a flight on CO and they have a partner X who codeshares one of the flights, you cannot get NW miles for that codeshared flight.

dukepv Nov 11, 2003 1:00 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rut Dog:
Amtrak points can be used for flights on most US airlines and many interntional.
GR = Guest Rewards
GR --&gt; CO = DL, NW, KLM, et. al.
GR --&gt; YX = AA, F9
GR --&gt; UA = US, *A
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Great idea, RutDog. Perhaps by routing my CO miles to GR I could save 5,000 miles on a US-&gt;Mexico award trip, because CO uses 35,000 whereas AA uses 30,000. And AA has always had MUCH better seat availability on their awards than CO.

But, I wonder:
• Generally speaking, is there less seat availability when you claim an award through a partner?
• Has anyone had any specific experience claiming AA awards through YX?

Thanks,
Duke


[This message has been edited by dukepv (edited 11-11-2003).]

Brendan Nov 11, 2003 2:00 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ptpinit:
I am assuming this only works with new NW flights crediting to OnePass? I have 4,972 "orphaned" NW miles that I'd like to move. Any way to do this?</font>
You assume correctly. Best you can do is buy a drink/meal at an Idine.com bar/restaurant to earn &gt;=28 miles, then find someone who needs to island-hop in Hawaii.

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LGA Nov 17, 2003 12:48 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by nologic:
It would seem to me that 25,000 GR points is worth more as an airline mile than as a GR point.

For example, I would use GRs on Amtrak for Acelka to NY. 10,000 GR's = 1 way first class, which currently sells for $150.

So, if you think you can get more than 1.5 cents per mile in value with airline miles, transferring GRs to airline miles is the way to go.
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For the Northeast corridor folks... It'd be 5,000 points for unreserved coach for one zone round-trip - WAS-NYP, for example. That trip for next weekend prices out $161 (without any discount promotion codes). Now THAT'S a good value! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Lulu Nov 24, 2003 4:14 pm

I've transfered my CO miles into my Amtrak account and redeemed it for UA miles, but on my confirmation email it states, "Thank you for redeeming for an Amtrak Guest Rewards item. You’ve ordered:
5,000 Airline Miles
Item # 5001
5,000 Points , etc.
Your reward will be shipped within 2 to 4 weeks. Please keep this confirmation email for your records and Contact Us if you have additional questions."

Is this transfer suppose to work electronically or via paper reward? Any recent experience? Thanks.

pgary Nov 24, 2003 5:07 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Lulu:
I've transfered my CO miles into my Amtrak account and redeemed it for UA miles, but on my confirmation email it states, "Thank you for redeeming for an Amtrak Guest Rewards item. You’ve ordered:
5,000 Airline Miles
Item # 5001
5,000 Points , etc.
Your reward will be shipped within 2 to 4 weeks. Please keep this confirmation email for your records and Contact Us if you have additional questions."

Is this transfer suppose to work electronically or via paper reward? Any recent experience? Thanks.
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My transfer from Amtrak to Continental just hit my Continental account today. It was electronic and took about a week.


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pgary Nov 24, 2003 5:09 pm

Deleted for duplication.

[This message has been edited by pgary (edited Nov 24, 2003).]

hindukid Nov 25, 2003 5:16 pm

So then is this a way to stll manage a CO to HH transfer at a 1:2 ratio.

gleff Nov 25, 2003 5:42 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by hindukid:
So then is this a way to stll manage a CO to HH transfer at a 1:2 ratio.</font>
Yes.

CO --&gt; Amtrak --&gt; Hiltor is 1:1:2

EC Traveler Nov 26, 2003 8:34 am

Mine's in process. Transferred 10,000 orphaned CO miles of my own, and 15,000 of my wife's to my new Amtrak account. That took 2 days to post. Then went online and got the same message for the total 25,000 as Lulu - that my (5) certificates for 5000 miles will ship in 2 to 4 weeks. Sounds like it should go electronically, but if not, will keep you posted.

That said - I agree that some of the rail awards are good values for the points...but by doing this, I've just salvaged the 12,000 orphaned UA miles I have also - so 12000 UA of my own + 10000 CO of my own + 15000 of my wife's = 37000 UA miles - I only need 3000 more for a free 1st class in the US (May, BWI - LAS) - I really only need the 3000, but I might just buy the 5000 from my wife ($50) who has nearly 50,000, since after we redeem her 40,000 she'll again have orphan miles...or I work with guys with orphaned miles so maybe they'll send them to me for a "deep discount" in 2004 after I can transfer another 25,000...

Thanks for the info! It has really seemed to work!

Weez Dec 3, 2003 6:16 am

Well my Amtrak miles have finally posted to my UA account, just 3 months late and after yet another call to Amtrak. The supervisor said there was a problem with the weekly data download to UA during September and that all transfers done then had to be redone manually.

Louise

writetorich Dec 5, 2003 10:19 pm

Can NW and CO both be transfered??

Does it have to be in even increments ie 5000, 10,000 or may one transfer odd lots i.e. 9745 miles. I saw no mention of this on CO's website. How do I get info?
Thanks

pgary Dec 6, 2003 12:06 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by writetorich:
Can NW and CO both be transfered??

Does it have to be in even increments ie 5000, 10,000 or may one transfer odd lots i.e. 9745 miles. I saw no mention of this on CO's website. How do I get info?
Thanks
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Transfer Continental miles to Amtrak by calling Continental and telling them to do it. Must be in chunks of 5,000. Transfer points from Amtrak on the Amtrak web site. I know of no way to transfer Northwest miles without losing most of the miles. Sure wish there were one.

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EC Traveler Jan 16, 2004 10:49 am

I have a question on this. Can Mr. X - an un-related friend transfer his Continental miles to my Amtrak account, or do they have to be family members?

FYI - this has been a quiet discussion of late, but late last year I *did* move 15,000 of my Continental and 10,000 of my wife's continental miles to my Amtrak account and then on to my United Account for effectively one free ticket "created" out of nothing. It was very easy, and went though quickly. Thanks for the tip!


MCOisHOME2ME Apr 26, 2004 12:16 pm


Originally Posted by gleff
It absolutely works. I've done it myself. My most recent experience is 7 days CO --> Amtrak.

Amtrak transfers allow you to move pretty much any airline into United miles.

YX: transfer your miles -->; Amtrak --&gt; United.

How do you transfer the Midwest Express miles into Amtrak Guest Reward points? I don't see any redemption options on Midwest's website that would provide this? The only 5,000 rewards I see are actual round-trip train trips.

I'm cross posting this to the Midwest Forum as I believe the answer may come from either location - shoot me.

Marathon Man Apr 27, 2004 2:45 am

my wife has 16,000+ Singapore Airlines miles.
I have about 5,800.

Can these be transferred to Amtrak at all?
If so, we would put them onto our repsoective UAL accts.

:)MM

vgastan Jul 5, 2004 1:44 am

Thanks.

Stanley.

DH Jul 5, 2004 6:23 am


Originally Posted by vgastan
How do you credit your AA miles to Midwest? Or viceversa?

In order to receive Midwest miles for AA flights, use Midwest FF number whenever you take the AA flights. (and use AA FF number for Midwest flights if want the AA miles).

vgastan Jul 5, 2004 10:34 pm

Thanks.

Stanley.

Delta Hog Jul 9, 2004 2:40 pm


Originally Posted by DH
In order to receive Midwest miles for AA flights, use Midwest FF number whenever you take the AA flights. (and use AA FF number for Midwest flights if want the AA miles).


Oddly, while you can earn Midwest miles on YX or AA, you can earn AA miles only on AA -- not on YX. Don't know why this is, but have checked with both FF departments, and that is the case.

Parris/Jasper Dad Jul 9, 2004 4:03 pm

Does amtrak match status or is there a way to get status on it without riding a lot?

Randy Petersen Jul 9, 2004 4:32 pm


Originally Posted by vgastan
Thank you DH. I misundertood Gleff's original post and thought that it was possible to convert existing AA miles to Midwest, then to Amtrak, then to United (or Continental).
:-(

It looks like there are 14 ways to move AAdvantage miles into United and 18 ways to move AAdvantage into Continental.

While just a beta-test release, you might want to play with this:
http://www.webflyer.com/programs/mil...rter/index.php

aussielori Jul 9, 2004 7:19 pm

I just had a look at the site. its great Randy!

I tried to transfer some points into my partners account and they are now in cyberpace for about 2 weeks. I wonder what happened to them :(

Baze Jul 9, 2004 9:21 pm

I just did the Amex -> CO -> Amtrak -> UA conversion. Works great. Did the first Amex -> CO transfer on Jul 2nd. CO -> Amtrak also completed on July 2nd. Amtrak -> UA completed today July 8th. 6 days total for 25000 Amex MR points to become 25000 UA miles. Only cost incurred was $10 to Amex for the transfer to CO. They don't do it free. They charge .004 cents per point transferred so 25000 points is $10. Well worth it if you ask me. Too bad can only do 25000 because of Amtraks limitation. Yes I know if you have a certain level in Amtraks program you can do 50000.

WORKS GREAT!!!!!

aires56 Sep 8, 2004 4:25 pm

Transfer Amtrak to UA?
 
I transferred 25,000 miles from CO to AMTRAK. Now I am ready to transfer my miles from AMTRAK to United Mileage Plus. I couldn't find any place on the AMTRAK website that lets you transfer the miles. I can REDEEM the miles, but not transfer them. I was hesitant to complete that transaction. When I selected that option, it shows the miles going into a 'Shopping Cart" and it says that I will receive my miles in the mail once I submit my request. Is that correct? I was thinking I could just online transfer the miles directly to UA Mileage Plus. Did I overlook something in the threads on how to transfer these directly into one's UA account? Thanks for any input/advise.

gleff Sep 8, 2004 5:19 pm

Ignore the whole mail thing.

It's an online transaction.

You are REDEEMING your Amtrak points for United miles. You give them your United mileage plus number. Say that you do this transaction on Monday morning, your miles probably post to United ~ late Friday pm IIRC.

Go for it...

Hari Sep 8, 2004 8:41 pm

I just transferred 25000 miles from Continental to Amtrak by calling Continental a few weeks ago. They posted to my Amtrak account within a week. As soon as they posted, I redeemed them online for 5 5000 United miles. I got a letter in the mail from Amtrak telling me that it would take 6-8 weeks, but the miles posted to United within a few days.

hoangb Sep 8, 2004 8:44 pm

If I remember correctly, when I transferred my miles from CO to Amtrak, it was via a telephone conversation with a CO representative. I think that my transfer from Amtrak to UA was a via a phone conversation, this part I am not sure.

In other words, to be safe, there's nothing wrong with making a call.

akm Sep 8, 2004 9:45 pm


Originally Posted by aires56
I transferred 25,000 miles from CO to AMTRAK. Now I am ready to transfer my miles from AMTRAK to United Mileage Plus. I couldn't find any place on the AMTRAK website that lets you transfer the miles. I can REDEEM the miles, but not transfer them. I was hesitant to complete that transaction. When I selected that option, it shows the miles going into a 'Shopping Cart" and it says that I will receive my miles in the mail once I submit my request. Is that correct? I was thinking I could just online transfer the miles directly to UA Mileage Plus. Did I overlook something in the threads on how to transfer these directly into one's UA account? Thanks for any input/advise.


It is funny that Amtrak has not fixed this misleading info (has been there for years!). Just redeem your Amtrak miles on United and they will show up in your United account in less than a week. You will very likely also get a paper letter about this but your miles will probably hit your United account before you get the letter.

p1cunnin Sep 9, 2004 5:41 am

That's been my experience. The only phone call was with CO. No big deal and nobody hassles you, although I suspect that laundering miles in this way is going to raise a flag at some point for CO when they see so many miles passing through from people who rarely fly CO. At least I've had a RT in the past year on CO...

And as reported here, the Amtrak - UA exchange is usually about a week or so. Again, no big deal and that is completely done online. Just pay attention to the annual transfer limit.

moxiccc Sep 9, 2004 6:54 pm

Just completed transferring 15,000 miles from CO to Amtrak.

It took two service agent and about 25 minutes. The first agent told me that I can't transfer one pass miles to anywhere and refused to check with her supervisor. I said thank you and hang up then I called again. Unfortunately the same agent picked up the phone so hang up again. A few minutes later I called again and another agent picked up the phone. Again the agent told me I can't do that. I told her that my friend just did this a couple of days ago so she put me on hold for 15 minutes. Luckily when she returned she said she was able to do that and had completed the transfer and said I can expect the points in about 10-15 bussiness days. Is this a sign that they are going to discontinue this? The miles were taken off my account immediately with the following transaction:
9/09/2004 AMTRAK MILEAGE TRANSFER 2VX15

Just wondering, where in Amtrak or One Pass program is this transfer thing mentioned? I can't find them on neither program. :confused: :confused:

Thanks fellow flyertalkers! Without you guys I can't be a savvy traveller.

p1cunnin Sep 9, 2004 7:29 pm

Never had that problem. But it is obscure and not a standard award (I suspect that there aren't a lot of people who would trade airline miles for rail miles).

The only mention I can find is here: http://www.continental.com/company/a...5150F990A8923F


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