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Lohrip Feb 2, 2008 2:17 am

Free Upgrades - Best Program
 
What airlines allow free upgrades for elite members, other than NWA and CON? What about on international routes?

Thanks,

Chris

kkjay77 Feb 2, 2008 7:01 am

CO, DL, NW and US all offers space available free upgrade for elite members while AA also upgrades its top tier EXP members for free.

For international upgrades, I believe CZ offers some kind of free upgrade, but I may be mistaken.
Other than that, both AA and UA offers system wide upgrade certs for its top tier members.

bdemaria Feb 2, 2008 7:06 am


Originally Posted by kkjay77 (Post 9178857)
CO, DL, NW and US all offers space available free upgrade for elite members while AA also upgrades its top tier EXP members for free.

Clarification: AA PLT and GLD also can upgrade using 500 mile stickers - which you earn by flying, so this to qualifies as "free." If you don't have enough stickers, then you can purchase the stickers for a nominal fee. All AA upgrades - regardless of status - are space available.

MGL Feb 2, 2008 11:55 am

AS does as well, although they are essentially theoretical on transcons.

mahasamatman Feb 2, 2008 12:55 pm


Originally Posted by bdemaria (Post 9178873)
AA PLT and GLD also can upgrade using 500 mile stickers - which you earn by flying, so this to qualifies as "free." If you don't have enough stickers, then you can purchase the stickers for a nominal fee.

UA is the same.

wanaflyforless Feb 2, 2008 1:01 pm

Best program for upgrades
 
Depends on Domestic/International AND level of elite status.

DOMESTIC

All airlines only upgrade elites if there is space still available they don't think they can sell, often close to the flight time.

For 25K/year elite flyers:
US and NW, because this level is too low to get a high percentage of free upgrades on any other airline. US sells few F seats and NW tends to have a larger ratio of F making upgrades more frequent to 25K/year flyers on these airlines than others. The US and NW F product also tends to be a little lower quality than the competition. (DL, CO, and AS are the other airlines that offer unlimited free upgrades to 25K/year flyers. AA and UA also offer a limited number of space available upgrades to this level of flyer.)

For 50K/year elite flyers:
US, NW, DL, CO, and AS all offer an unlimited number of space available upgrades at this level. Of these, CO is the least likely to have unsold seats left to upgrade you but also tends to have the best domestic F product. UA and AA also offer a limited number of free space available upgrades as this level and you can buy more. On premium trans-con routes, AA and UA have by far superior premium cabin seats. On other routes, with the exception of those domestic routes operated by international aircraft, AA and UA offer a similar F product to everyone but maybe US, which is generally inferior in quality. AS would be a logical choice as this level if your needs match their route structure as you would now have top tier AS status at 50K/year of flying.

For 75K/year elite flyers:
NW, CO, and DL are the winners as you will have top tier status on these airlines but not on AA, UA, and US.

For 100K/year elite flyers:
AA is the clear winner as this level. Unlimited domestic space available upgrades with a clearance rate of 75%-100% depending on your route and days of the week. This is a higher clearance rate than on UA, which also has their top tier at this level but does not offer unlimmitted domestic upgrades. 1Ks get 500s and CR1s wich combined will cover you when flying domestic if you do a mix of international and domestic but you will run out if flying mostly domestically and have to buy more 500 milers to still upgrade. US, the third airline with a 100K top tier, offers an excellent clearance rate but the product suffers, making them a less than optimum choice at this level of flying.

INTERNATIONAL

For 25K, 50K, and 75K a year flyers:
- AA and UA are tend to have better clearance rates using miles to upgrade than DL, CO, NW, and US. Upgrades can be cleared right up to the last minute on UA and AA if there are seats available; not so on many others.
- AA advantage: lower fare categories qualify for the upgrade than on UA, but AA charges a $ copay of around $300 in addition to the miles.
- UA advantage: miles only needed, no copay, but one needs to buy up to mid-range fares to be upgrade eligible; low fare classes won't work.
- NW Miles only required to upgrade, but only highest fares qualify. B and Y fares, often several times as much as cheapest available.
- CO Lower fares than NW qualify, but they charge very high co-pays (ie $450 each way).

For the 100K level flyer:

- Only two logical choices:

AA - you get 8 certificates/year than can be used to upgrade most fares including cheap ones. Of course, it is space available only, for any AA trip up to three segments anywhere AA flies, including long haul international ie Brazil, India, Asia, Europe. Unlike free domestic upgrades, these system-wides can be confirmed at time of booking if there is upgrade inventory available.

UA - you get 6 certs/year than can be used to upgrade most fares but not the very cheapest ones. Of course, it is space available only, for any UA trip anywhere UA flies, including long haul international ie Asia, Europe, South America. Unlike free domestic upgrades, these system-wides can be confirmed at time of booking if there is upgrade inventory available.

DL give a number of international upgrade certs good only on very high fares.
US give a couple of fare resricted certs.

Lohrip Feb 3, 2008 4:17 am

Great answers, thanks all and especially wanaflyforless!

mahasamatman Feb 3, 2008 10:36 am


Originally Posted by wanaflyforless (Post 9180328)
Unlike free domestic upgrades, these system-wides can be confirmed at time of booking if there is upgrade inventory available.

(Emphasis added.) Not quite true. Some free domestic upgrades (namely CR-1s) can also confirm at time of booking.

mia Feb 3, 2008 10:58 am


Originally Posted by wanaflyforless (Post 9180328)
INTERNATIONAL

AA - you get 8 certificates/year than can be used to upgrade most fares including cheap ones.

AA operates three cabins (First, Business, Economy) on some routes. One important limitation of these eVIP certificates is they cannot be used to upgrade from deeply discounted Business "I" fares to First class.

wanaflyforless Feb 3, 2008 12:03 pm

Remember, the above is intended as a summary of the 7 largest US programs that each have fine points that I understand but are hard to put into a summary.

Originally Posted by mia (Post 9184050)
AA operates three cabins (First, Business, Economy) on some routes. One important limitation of these eVIP certificates is they cannot be used to upgrade from deeply discounted Business "I" fares to First class.

Good point.

VIPs can however upgrade AA D fares, which are also discounted business. In many markets the cheapest fare is the D fare, in others the D fare is similar to the I fare, and in some you do need to pay a lot more to go from I to D.

Another point revelent to anyone who can fly international paid business is that your upgrade choice is only AA and UA (of the US airlines). Only these airlines offer a 3 cabin international product with F to upgrade into. If one flies primarily international in paid business class I would generally suggest a non US 3 class airline; which one depends mostly on your primary routes.

Originally Posted by mahasamatman (Post 9183963)
(Emphasis added.) Not quite true. Some free domestic upgrades (namely CR-1s) can also confirm at time of booking.

Very true. UA does give its 100K level flyers a few advance confirmable domestic upgrades every year.
But for the sake of summary.....

jgsx Feb 4, 2008 9:37 am

Don't forget that UA 100k members also earn confirmed domestic upgrades (CR1s) in addition to the e500s.

opushomes Feb 4, 2008 9:52 am

Higher mileage levels at NW
 
To add to the above.

At 120k and at 160k Platinum members of WorldPerks have the opportunity to choose 2 one-way system-wides on any fare. Registration was required in 2007, not sure what 2008 holds in store. Not as good as UA or AA, but better than nothing.

Additionally Platinums can upgrade one other person on the same itinerary domestically automatically when the EUA runs.

Efrem Feb 4, 2008 2:02 pm

AA also offers free upgrades, without use of (earned or purchased) 500-mile upgrade credits, at the 25,000- and 50,000-mile levels to passengers on Y/B (full economy or slight discount) fares.

littlejimmy112 Feb 6, 2008 1:01 am

Nice post. I guess I've seen all that information in pieces, but never all laid out together. As a UA 1K that's kind of fed up with UA, it's interesting how much AA seems to "win" on upgrades (both domestic and international) at the 100K level.

Can anyone offer some insight on a counter? I.e., why hasn't United matched the AA policy, or why haven't more UA 1K's who like sitting up front gone over to AA?

maulah Feb 6, 2008 7:09 am


Originally Posted by littlejimmy112 (Post 9200154)

Can anyone offer some insight on a counter? I.e., why hasn't United matched the AA policy, or why haven't more UA 1K's who like sitting up front gone over to AA?

Is it true that there are many more AA elites than UA 1K's which makes competition among AA elites very tough, specially from AA hubs like LA?

Fornebufox Feb 6, 2008 10:00 am


Originally Posted by maulah (Post 9201034)
Is it true that there are many more AA elites than UA 1K's which makes competition among AA elites very tough, specially from AA hubs like LA?

At this moment there are twice as many FT members on the UA boards as on the AA boards. This could mean many things but it at least suggests that the answer to your question is no.

RTWFF Feb 6, 2008 11:07 am


Originally Posted by maulah (Post 9201034)
Is it true that there are many more AA elites than UA 1K's which makes competition among AA elites very tough, specially from AA hubs like LA?

AA doesn't fly to some destinations where UA goes in SE Asia and Australia/NZ. Hence I will stay with UA because those are the places I go (and hope for upgrades). AA has code-share to Australia/NZ but code-share doesn't get you any upgrades

wanaflyforless Feb 6, 2008 7:51 pm


Originally Posted by maulah (Post 9201034)
Is it true that there are many more AA elites than UA 1K's which makes competition among AA elites very tough, specially from AA hubs like LA?

I don't know how the number of UA and AA 100,000 flyers compare. I am guessing the numbers are similar.

The reason AA EXPs clear more is a higher ratio or F:Y seats on AA versus UA on most planes.


Originally Posted by Fornebufox (Post 9201957)
At this moment there are twice as many FT members on the UA boards as on the AA boards. This could mean many things but it at least suggests that the answer to your question is no.

I think the reason for this is certain dynamics that emerged on the AA board over the last few years making it a less friendly place to join than the UA Flyertalk board.

skywalk Feb 8, 2008 12:41 pm

I have a question on the AA upgrade charge of $300 to upgrade with miles. Does this apply to elites and general members? I know the fare price is an issue also.

wanaflyforless Feb 8, 2008 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by skywalk (Post 9216446)
I have a question on the AA upgrade charge of $300 to upgrade with miles. Does this apply to elites and general members? I know the fare price is an issue also.

Yes, the co-pay to upgrade with miles applies to everyone.

The number of miles required and the co-pay amount depends on the route - shorter routes are less than $300.

Because the lowest upgradable fares are often less $ on AA than UA, the end price is often about the same (UA requires mid-range fare codes to be upgrade eligible).

AA EXPs (100K level) get 8 VIPs. These systemwide upgrades do not have a co-pay. But even EXPs pay the co-pay when using miles to upgrade.

graraps Feb 8, 2008 2:13 pm

AFAIK, there is only one airline that offers unlimited free systemwide (incl. intercontinental) upgrades to its elites. ;)

wanaflyforless Feb 8, 2008 10:48 pm


Originally Posted by graraps (Post 9217096)
AFAIK, there is only one airline that offers unlimited free systemwide (incl. intercontinental) upgrades to its elites. ;)

True, but this is one of the smaller European Airlines. Not a very major player and thus not a good option for the average flyer. If you happen to fly just the right routes than you might be in luck.

But keep in mind that even on this airline the upgrades are space available and cannot be counted on.

Also very important is that this airline does not have a modern business class product. It is outdated and inferior to most of the big players today.

Lastly, this benefit is only for those who have top tier elite status on that airline.

graraps Feb 9, 2008 3:57 am


Originally Posted by wanaflyforless (Post 9219587)
But keep in mind that even on this airline the upgrades are space available and cannot be counted on.

Over the past 3.5 years, my upgrade success rate (even as a silver to begin with) on said airline has consistently been over 90%. Only a couple of routes have a high enough concentration of elites that would put your u/g at risk.


Originally Posted by wanaflyforless (Post 9219587)
Also very important is that this airline does not have a modern business class product. It is outdated and inferior to most of the big players today.

Only true for longhaul. Intra-Europe, it's quite possibly the best business class product available (a lot better than the big 3).


Originally Posted by wanaflyforless (Post 9219587)
Lastly, this benefit is only for those who have top tier elite status on that airline.

Everyone gets it for European flights. For intercontinental, out of the 3 tiers, only silvers have to pay a small amount of miles for the upgrade.

spartacus Feb 9, 2008 5:28 am


Originally Posted by wanaflyforless (Post 9180328)
[B][U]The US and NW F product also tends to be a little lower quality than the competition.

Comparing US F to NW F is like saying Ron Paul is right on the heels of McCain. Last US F flight the seat wasn't anywhere close to the size and comfort of NW F. Heck, the C9 F seat was better than the US F seat.:eek:


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