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Ken in Phx Dec 30, 2002 7:38 pm

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Podcat Dec 30, 2002 8:29 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Ken in Phx:
I have bought 2,000 worth or more of Money Orders 150 times in the last year and never filled out any paper work at any location.</font>
Ken,

Isn't the earned mileage limit for the BofA Plat card 100K miles/year? Seems your purchases would have netted you 150K otherwise.

As for the paperwork, YOU don't fill out a thing. THEY do. Like other Suspicious Activity reports, they're not allowed to tell you when or why they're doing it.

Ken in Phx Dec 30, 2002 10:20 pm

But if i was paying cash, we wouldnt be posting it as a mile earning adventure.

raffy Dec 30, 2002 10:48 pm

While I generally agree with the above post, I was asked to complete the form in question when I purchased 3 $1,000 money orders in Boston last month. The form asked for quite a bit of personal information, drivers licence, social security number etc. When I objected, the Post Office clerk told me that all I needed to do was to purchase no more than 2 $1,000 money orders at a time, simple enough. So, even with a line of people behind me, I was asked to fill out one of these forms.

Xyzzy Dec 30, 2002 10:50 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Efrem:
Aside from the merits of the concept, which have been debated above and surely will be debated more below, can someone explain to me how "Form" creates an "R" in the acronym?</font>
It doesn't. I bet it's a Money Services Activity Report...

skofarrell Dec 31, 2002 9:39 am

Since you're not doing anything illegal, why do you care if they're filling out a report?

After a very successful Vegas weekend a couple of years ago, I deposited over $14K in cash at my bank. I then asked for a copy of the CTR so that I could prove to my friends that I that I won it... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Flying Dutchman Dec 31, 2002 9:49 pm

A Libertarian Party press release on this very topic:

http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?...iew&record=212

Podcat Jan 1, 2003 11:31 am

Thanks, Flying Dutchman! Excellent article.

If they're unhappy about postal employees spying on us, I'm sure they won't be thrilled with the deputizing of WalMart spies. :-)

raffy Jan 1, 2003 4:50 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Flying Dutchman:
A Libertarian Party press release on this very topic:

http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?...iew&record=212
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"Although officials decline to reveal how many "suspicious" customers have been reported to law enforcement, the Post Office sells about $27 billion in money orders a year. This means that tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans may have been identified as potential drug dealers or money-launderers by postal employees."

Imagine the miles on $27 billion ...

Podcat Jan 1, 2003 9:50 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by skofarrell:
I deposited over $14K in cash at my bank. I then asked for a copy of the CTR so that I could prove to my friends that I that I won it... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif</font>
A CTR, or Currency Transaction Report, is very different from the "suspicious activity" forms, like SARC or MSAR. The CTR dates back to Reagan times, 1984. The government has virtually admitted that the form is useless, especially in casino transactions where they are so common that they have developed a spinoff called a CTR-CASINO.

The suspicious activity forms were developed because, supposedly, reporting every $10,000 transaction was not enough. Originally, winnings were exempt from CTR's, as the government claimed they were only interested in tracking the source of moneys brought _in_ to a casino. Then suddenly, ALL transactions over 10K -- even non-cash jackpot disbursements -- suddenly required a form. Then that wasn't enough: they needed to track transactions of $3000 or more. Then that wasn't enough -- any transaction of ANY size could be reported if deemed "suspicious" (by a duly authorzied WalMart employee).

The point is, there will never be enough forms to satisfy the government.

Ken in Phx Jan 1, 2003 10:39 pm

Where are they gathering info from ? Are they following me home ? Are they hiding in the parking lot shopping carts waiting for me to pull up ? LOL...this is the silliest topic I have ever been a part of. It still begs the question....If you arent committing an illegal act smuggling drugs, laundering money, smurfing, or engaging in terrorist activities.......THEN WHY WOULD YOU CARE WHAT HAPPENS....I am already oon the biggest government watchdog list...And I make my first payment of the year every April 15. THEY ALREADY KNOW ALL MY BUSINESS...TOTAL SALARY, EXPENSES, CHILD CARE ETC....What the big deal if they put me on another list ?? LOL

Flying Dutchman Jan 1, 2003 11:28 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Ken in Phx:
It still begs the question....If you arent committing an illegal act smuggling drugs, laundering money, smurfing, or engaging in terrorist activities.......THEN WHY WOULD YOU CARE WHAT HAPPENS....</font>
Do you mail your personal letters in envelopes? (Why, if you've got nothing to hide?)
Would you mind abolishing the secret ballot? (Why, if you're a loyal American?)
Would you submit to random drug tests on the streets?
(Why, if you're not using any?)

Personally, I value my right to privacy, but I suppose in America that's an 'un-patriotic' sentiment these days since Bush has declared that you're either with him or the terrorists.

skiner Jan 2, 2003 2:42 am

Is the Bank of America debit card you are talking about the one with an annual fee of $30 and gives you one mile for every two dollars you spend? I am new to this and wand to make sure I get the right card. Thank you.

skiner Jan 2, 2003 2:44 am

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[This message has been edited by skiner (edited 01-02-2003).]

Mrukk Jan 2, 2003 7:11 am

Don't listen to Ken. He's a terrorist... on all sorts of lists and stuff, I heard http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif


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