PG: Sorry, I'm still not following. I'm not a member, either. This is by choice. So what do you want when you say "Please post it here"?

Sorry I meant post the loophole here (as opposed to posting the loophole on the "List").

Just so people stop asking, his idea was buying one "points" earning gift cert and then using that cert in a seemingly endless loop to buy another cert, and using that cert to buy another cert.. blah blah a looping loophole.

Like using one credit card to pay off the other and keep switching them back and forth.

They don't like that very much.

Flip

i think i figured out the loophole (it was obvious to me right away) am i not allowed to say what i think it is. after all, it is not illegal.

that's not the loophole i thought of.

I saw the "loophole." No ifs ands, or buts about it, it was fraudulent. It should be neither posted nor discussed here. For that matter, I would hope that FTers as a community would not stoop to such a level even through private e-mail lists.

did that loophole have anything to do with the cancellation policy at valuemags?

And just to further clarify, it probably can't be done. Merchants are not going to give any kind of points for a purchase with a gift certificate.

For example, during the AA 20/20 promo I bought a Hickory Farms gc for $10 then used it to buy a $20 gc for another family member. The second family member only got miles/points for the extra $10 spent - not the entire $20. In my case, I was not trying to defraud the merchant. I was merely accumulating partners for separate AA accounts. The last person used the larger cert for a purchase.

No, although that one would be fraudulent as well.

hello all

well, it seems like we've gone from any good discussion to this nonsense about "the list".

flipside has the loophole correct. i'm not going to comment further on the details. i hope the information provided by flipside has satisfied your need to know how the loophole worked.

i await further discussion http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Sorry, fireflyreaction but any reference to "The List" is not nonsense. "The List" discussion started in May 2001 and attracted enough interest to run for nine pages. It, too, was a "good" discussion, because it allowed members of this community to voice their opinions on the type of deals you are currently discussing and how they affect FlyerTalk.

Have you read that thread (maybe not, it ran before you joined FlyerTalk)? If not, I suggest you do so before you dismiss it as "nonsense". Trying to contribute to a community is admirable; understanding the community is essential.

i'm sorry - i wasn't clear.

nonsense in that "the list" is a non sequitor.

wasn't meant to be insulting at all...

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wait wait wait...i get it now...i see how using "the list" can be part of this discussion (i.e., how it relates to whether or not unethical items can be discussed on FT).

sincere apologies.

It's a funny thing about flyertalkers...

We look out for #1. In some cases #1 is us.
In some cases #1 is the other guy.

We're a strange bunch!

For additional commentary, GO READ THAT THREAD.

I am still lost as to why this gc for gc is so morally problematic while other members of this board are sending money for miles to their spousess on c2it? No one addressed that in this thread.