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stewlevine Dec 9, 2001 11:12 am

I have brought back considerable amounts of wine in the past as well. Remember, that the only restriction is on what you can bring in without being subject to duty. So long as you are over 21 and not violating your state's laws. You may find though, that depending upon where you live, you may want to enter the US at a state with more liberal alcohol policies, i.e., Illinois, Washington, California; then one of the more restrictive states like Texas or New York.

lisamcgu Dec 9, 2001 5:48 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by slawecki:
My wife and I frequently bring 12-18 bottles of wine from europe to IAD. ...
Declare it. Tax is $3.85 a dozen. I have never been charged. ...
For easy packing: Take an extra old hardsided piece of luggage. take sets of burgandy/champagne paper mache inserts, for both inside and outside each row of wine. Pack towels around the top and bottom, maybe a bit of bubble wrap on the outside. Get a good strap, and throw a tape wrap around the luggage. Make certain it has a good handle. 18 bottles weigh a lot. ...
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Just go to your local wine/liquor shop to get
those paper mache inserts or they make cardboard wine bottle carrier/holders that will fully flatten down for packing.

Also, you may want to invest in a wine bag, like that which is used to bring wine to events and dinners, such as is used by those who have cellars and bring their own wine to such places. Mine is small, but I've seen some people with massive wine shoulder bags, and they keep pulling bottles out, until it seems they were carrying a whole case in there. A bag could be flattened and packed on the way over, then filled and carried on coming home.

Further, depending on the time of year you are traveling, or just as a general rule, you would not want to pack your wine if it is good stuff that you don't want damaged. Wine should be kept in a fairly standard environment, a humid 58 degrees, which doesn't always happen, but will still remain true if not exposed to extreme temperature changes. I would think the hold of a plane could easily go to such extremes.

brucemcal Dec 9, 2001 11:13 pm

Joh, there is a little noticed part of the act that repealed prohibition that requires US Customs officers to enforce the state laws at the port of entry. At Seattle, customs agents are supposed to require a release from the State of Washington before you can bring in over the 1 litre allowance. Whenever I have asked in advance, for a reasonable number of bottles, the Washington State Liquor office has always given be a permit at no charge. Once, when I hadn't cleared previously - I was bringing in several cases - the customs people at SeaTac impounded the wine, and I had to go to the State Liquor Board office adjacent to the airport. It only cost me about an hour delay, but that could be particularly onerous if you are making a tight connection. Another time, when I didn't have the state permit, the Customs Officer kept asking me if I was returning household goods. It took a couple of trys before I caught on and answered "yes", and he waved me through. Apparently there is also some sort of exception for this.

Also, I have had no problem when I cleared customs at Washington DC.

But, just to feel confortable, I would dash off a letter to the California Liquor office and be prepared.

Bruce

Steve M Dec 10, 2001 12:11 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by brucemcal:
Another time, when I didn't have the state permit, the Customs Officer kept asking me if I was returning household goods. It took a couple of trys before I caught on and answered "yes", and he waved me through. Apparently there is also some sort of exception for this.</font>
This exception applies not just to alcohol, but to anything you're carrying. If you took it with you when you left the country, you can bring it back without duty and without limitation (assuming it's legal to possess at all). For example, you take a $5000 laptop that you bought in the US, but was made in Taiwan, on a trip to Taiwan, and bring it back with you. Of course there's no duty. But, had you acquired the identical laptop while in Taiwan, duty would be owed upon your return. I suppose the Customs officer was coaching you to claim that you had taken the wine with you and brought it back.

slawecki Dec 10, 2001 6:11 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by brucemcal:
Also, I have had no problem when I cleared customs at Washington DC.


Bruce
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I've had no trouble at IAD, which is in VA, would worry about BWI, as MD has strict state import laws, but have no idea where to clear customs in DC. Maybe when you arrive at Union Station on Amtrak.


freefaller12k Dec 10, 2001 12:35 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by lisamcgu:
Further, depending on the time of year you are traveling, or just as a general rule, you would not want to pack your wine if it is good stuff that you don't want damaged. Wine should be kept in a fairly standard environment, a humid 58 degrees, which doesn't always happen, but will still remain true if not exposed to extreme temperature changes. I would think the hold of a plane could easily go to such extremes. </font>
I wouldn't worry about that. Short term variations in temp. do very little to effect wine. It's when your storing/aging that temp variations are harmful. Also if they are aged reds, let them sit for a day or two before service or decant with a filter to remove stirred up sediment.

Freefaller12k

God in His goodness sent the grapes, to cheer both great and small; little fools will drink too much, and great fools not at all. - Anonymous


mdtony Dec 10, 2001 12:56 pm

I don't know what the limit is, but I took back like six bottles from New Zealand. I declared wine on the customs paperwork but didn't put down the number of bottles I had with me and they didn't say a thing.

SFO_2_MEL Dec 10, 2001 3:51 pm

As an expatriate Aussie who can't do without a good bottle of red, I have often brought multiple bottles back with me.

Usually come through LAX or SFO, and have had no problems. I always declare the wine, as the duty is ~10% of the purchased value of the wine. Have only had to pay once, usually they wave you through. Never had problems transhipping when I lived in Boston.

If you're looking for packaging materials - trying calling Eltim Enterprises in Mildura, Victoria (03) 5024 8688 according to the White Pages - they should be able to direct you to a local distributor. They make styrofoam containers for wine that are the best I've come across. The system is modular, so a container can hold 3, 6, 9, 12 etc bottles. I find that 9 bottles makes a nice manageable size and weight.

A word of warning - UA can be a bit picky about accepting the luggage (have never had problems with QF). At my last check-in 2 weeks ago, the agent reluctantly agreed to accept the package when I told him it had been professionally packed. Also the random check of checked luggage folks made me open the package so have some extra tape handy!

slawecki Dec 10, 2001 5:47 pm

The wine tax is on the alcohol, not the product value. You pay $/% alky x quantity. If you exceed the $ value of import, then you may pay some % tax. I'm not familiar with that, but it has nothing to do with the fact that you are bringing in wine.

lisamcgu Dec 11, 2001 11:00 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by freefaller12k:
I wouldn't worry about that. Short term variations in temp. do very little to effect wine ...</font>
Tell that to the bottle of wine I left in my trunk one day - after the heat boiled it!

When they came out with those Jags that kept the air conditioning on, at a user-controlled setting, even while you weren't in the car, and even in the trunk, I thought wine transportation had to be the reason. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

jerry a. laska Dec 11, 2001 11:34 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by slawecki:
The wine tax is on the alcohol, not the product value. You pay $/% alky x quantity. If you exceed the $ value of import, then you may pay some % tax. I'm not familiar with that, but it has nothing to do with the fact that you are bringing in wine.</font>
The state tax may be based on the alcohol but the duty is based upon the value of the product - in other words save your receipts.
&gt;&gt;The flat duty rate will be charged on items that are dutiable but that cannot be included in your personal exemption, even if you have not exceeded the exemption. The best example of this is liquor: Say you return from Europe with $200 worth of items, including two liters of liquor. One liter will be duty-free under your exemption; the other will be dutiable at 4 percent, plus any Internal Revenue Service tax.&lt;&lt;


If you are coming to California you shouldn't have to pay any state tax as CA allows people to bring in up to 60 liters provided it's for personal use.
&gt;&gt;Adults traveling into California from a foreign country by steamship or airplane may bring with them a reasonable amount of alcoholic beverages fro personal or household use. A reasonable amount is not more than 60 liters (approximately five cases). (ABC agreement with U.S. Customs)&lt;&lt;

Florida appears to be rather strict with imports. From Florida's website FAQ's: &gt;&gt;Individuals may bring alcoholic beverages into the State of Florida in quantities less than or equal to one gallon, without being subject to state excise taxes. If the alcoholic beverages exceed one gallon, the individual must apply for a permit from the Division of Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco
to import the product and pay Florida excise taxes. This application form may be found on the Internet at: http://www.state.fl.us/dbpr/abt/form.../bevformsperso
nalimport.pdf
http://www.state.fl.us/dbpr/abt/index.shtml

jerry


[This message has been edited by jerry a. laska (edited 12-11-2001).]


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