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Originally Posted by osxanalyst
United is the only Airline/FFP that does this in any significant way. :D The coach section from the exits forward on most planes is the E+ section, with 34" to 36" of legroom and can only be pre-reserved by elites or full fare coach travelers. This almost always leaves plenty of good seats unassigned up until the day of the flight for last minute business travelers and/or elites.
Randy mentioned several items not included in the piece. One item not included that bolsters the article is the low fares from the likes of Southwest and JetBlue. Will you pay a higher price to get miles in your main FFP or will you pay less and be treated as Mr. Gold while paying Mr. Fudd prices? |
Originally Posted by vasantn
No, I guess they'd be working for Fox News :rolleyes:. Or perhaps the National Enquirer is more your cup of tea? Your statement makes it pretty clear that you wouldn't recognize good journalism if it bit you on the rear end.
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[QUOTE=osxanalyst]United is the only Airline/FFP that does this in any significant way. :D QUOTE]
As others have stated this may not be completely true. I also know that as an elite with AA, I can reserve aisle seats toward the front of the plane. I know this as I just bought some tickets for my daughter and I under different PNRs. I wanted to put her on the aisle and me in the middle seat as I have an upgrade requested. If it goes through, I will let her go up front. But I wanted to take her aisle seat in that case. Unfortunately, while I can see and reserve it, she can't. |
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Originally Posted by osxanalyst
United is the only Airline/FFP that does this in any significant way. :D QUOTE]
As others have stated this may not be completely true. I also know that as an elite with AA, I can reserve aisle seats toward the front of the plane. I know this as I just bought some tickets for my daughter and I under different PNRs. I wanted to put her on the aisle and me in the middle seat as I have an upgrade requested. If it goes through, I will let her go up front. But I wanted to take her aisle seat in that case. Unfortunately, while I can see and reserve it, she can't. |
Originally Posted by Darren
I am sorry. You have shown me the errors of my ways. New York Times it is, then. Pardon me while I go turn off reruns of Hee Haw so that I can read my copy of The Globe.
Originally Posted by Counsellor
Dunno about Darren's ability to recognize "good" journalism biting him on the butt, but he's batting 1.000 on spotting bad journalism. :D
All news organizations make mistakes. Show me one that engages in as much public self-examination and self-correction as the New York Times does. |
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Originally Posted by exymer
CO offers "better" seat selection to elites. Start the booking process on CO logged in as non-elite. When you get to the seat selector, click on it. If you're flying on most fares (perhaps anything other than Y) and you're not elite, you'll see a bunch of seats at the front of the plane that are blue. You won't be able to select those. Occasionally there are regular seats mixed in with the blues, but as a general rule the entire front section is designated "premium" and is unavailable to non-elites. You'll be stuck in the back with the riff raff.
Elites can pick any of the blues on any fare, as far as I can tell. |
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Originally Posted by sjc_longhorn
Okay, I stand corrected. Some airlines offer better seat selection for elites. But what happens when the plane starts to fill up? Are they going to continue blocking out those seats from non-elites when all other seats are sold? At some point I would think those seats would open up to everyone. This limitation is actually pretty new. The seat selector used to allow anyone to grab the "premium" seats, unless maybe they were flying on an L fare or something. CO seems to be trying very hard to alienate its "non-elite" flyers. Who's gonna pay $550 to get seats like 22F when they can see that seats up front are open? This is where WN slaughters the legacies. For $309, you could get a refundable Y class ticket from AUS-SJC on Monday with a better route and, if you check in a reasonable amount of time, sit pretty much wherever you want. Refundable, no change fees, and no 22F. |
Originally Posted by sjc_longhorn
Assuming this is the case, is it really a sound business strategy?
The only thing I can come up with is that it's more lucrative for them to fill the plane with cargo than passengers. So to them, their ideal situation would be a plane maybe 70% loaded with pax (nearly all elite) and then loaded up to the maximum allowable weight with cargo. Whenever I am forced to fly the legacies as a non-elite, it literally feels like they are intentionally trying to dissuade me from flying them ever again. I don't get it... |
Originally Posted by Family flyer
While the point above and others in the thread are valid, I think most responses missed the big picture. The essence of a loyalty program for most people (not necessarily FTers) is simple: Get a certain number of miles in a program and then redeem them for a free trip. This redemption task is indisputibly more difficult than years ago.
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Originally Posted by blueeyes_austin
Not sure I agree with this. The creation of alliances, for example, has vastly expanded the routes and destinations that can be reached on an award ticket.
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Clearly the author's mistake was his allegiance to CO. :)
If he was a UA or an AA customer, he could have maintained status by simply buying it (well, perhaps not EXP) assuming it was important enough. To be fair to CO, it is almost comical to select one flight as an exemplar for an entire airline. I was recently booked on 2 UA transcons next week which currently display only E- middle seats. There are some flights that are very popular and the early bird gets the worm. Which isn't good for the business traveler who buys an exhorbitant last minute "walkup" fare and gets worse treatment than the vacationer who planned a trip months ago. UA used to hold back some seats for its premium fare travelers, but I don't know if this is still the case. |
Originally Posted by gilpin
Well, the potential for claiming awards has indeed improved for the reasons you cite. But I'd contend that overall availability has declined despite this.
That said, I've got 4 award seats MCI-DFW-PVR round-trip coming up for Easter break. And I've got 3 award seats MCI-ORD-YUL a few weeks after that. Those are two markets where the paid fares stink out of Kansas City, so awards were absolutely key to doing these trips. All on the dates/flights I wanted, all booked a couple of months ago (January). And I'm contemplating both Hawaii and Europe for this fall, and I'm finding plenty of stuff available through either ORD or DFW out of MCI. So I can't complain too much. These days, I earn twice as many miles as I used to because there are always promotions running - sometimes promos on top of promos. Last week, I flew United to Seattle and will earn close to 300% total mileage because of promos. (I'm Premier, so only 25% of that is elite bonus.) I don't think the sky is falling - but I do see the airlines gradually nudging us to the point where the standard awards are truly for those willing to fly on very off-peak flights, with the "2x" awards for those who want the prime dates/flights. My only complaint is that there is no transparency. I wish we had more insight into how the system worked. How seats are allocated, that kind of thing. If think if we knew a little more about the underlying fundamentals of availability, we'd be able to plan better and complain less. |
Originally Posted by KarenH
Also UA does seat blocking of the middle seat in E+ for 1K members (I don't know if other levels qualify for this). I realize it is easy for the seat to be unblocked, but I have been grateful for having an empty seat next to me.
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Originally Posted by DullesJason
Actually, it's not just Economy Plus where they block the middle seats and it's not just 1Ks. All Premier (25k level) members and above will have *any* middle seat blocked, next to the one they have pre-reserved, Economy Plus or not. The seats will be unblocked only if it's starting to get full.
The only question I have is if I'm the guy checking in later and I see 4C available. Is there any way to tell whether 4B is really occupied, or if it's been seat-blocked for an elite in 4A, meaning that if I take 4C there's a very good chance it'll stay empty? |
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