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Originally Posted by I Love to Travel
Fidelity Investments Rewards - I called MBNA today and was told it's 1%. CSR noted in my acct that he advised me of this rate. He said if the rate changes, then I would be notified in writing. Has anyone used their Fidelity card overseas recently?
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Despite having a good forex CC, watch out for stealth conversions!
Just a heads up... I just got back from a trip to HKG, and the shopping was great, used my Pentagon Federal CC with no problem (1% fee, but 1.25% is already rebated back). The only problem I encountered was at a retailer, Shanghai Tang, who rang up the charges, the receipt was like this...
Local Amt HKD$: XXX.XX FX Rate: .132835 USD/HKD Bill Amt USD$: XXX.XX I asked the retailer what this was (I had seen it in stores, but they usually ask you if you want the bill in USD before automatically assuming.). The reply was, "Oh, that's just for reference, you'll get charged in HKD. That's just for your information." I went back to the hotel room, a bit suspect, and called the CC company, who confirmed the charge in USD. The forex rate that Shanghai Tang used was interbank + 3%. I went back to the retailer to reverse the USD charge and charge it in HKD, and it was no problem. Again, buyer beware and be vigilant! :eek: |
Originally Posted by bluester
Just a heads up... I just got back from a trip to HKG, and the shopping was great, used my Pentagon Federal CC with no problem (1% fee, but 1.25% is already rebated back). The only problem I encountered was at a retailer, Shanghai Tang, who rang up the charges, the receipt was like this...
Local Amt HKD$: XXX.XX FX Rate: .132835 USD/HKD Bill Amt USD$: XXX.XX I asked the retailer what this was (I had seen it in stores, but they usually ask you if you want the bill in USD before automatically assuming.). The reply was, "Oh, that's just for reference, you'll get charged in HKD. That's just for your information." I went back to the hotel room, a bit suspect, and called the CC company, who confirmed the charge in USD. The forex rate that Shanghai Tang used was interbank + 3%. I went back to the retailer to reverse the USD charge and charge it in HKD, and it was no problem. Again, buyer beware and be vigilant! :eek: How very "Hong Kong" of them. |
Originally Posted by KMHT FF
It's pretty annoying that Shanghai Tang would seemingly take it upon themselves to impose what would be assumed a commission on the payment transaction on top of the margin they're taking on the sale of goods.
How very "Hong Kong" of them. |
Originally Posted by bluester
Just a heads up... I just got back from a trip to HKG, and the shopping was great, used my Pentagon Federal CC with no problem (1% fee, but 1.25% is already rebated back). The only problem I encountered was at a retailer, Shanghai Tang, who rang up the charges, the receipt was like this...
Local Amt HKD$: XXX.XX FX Rate: .132835 USD/HKD Bill Amt USD$: XXX.XX I asked the retailer what this was (I had seen it in stores, but they usually ask you if you want the bill in USD before automatically assuming.). The reply was, "Oh, that's just for reference, you'll get charged in HKD. That's just for your information." I went back to the hotel room, a bit suspect, and called the CC company, who confirmed the charge in USD. The forex rate that Shanghai Tang used was interbank + 3%. I went back to the retailer to reverse the USD charge and charge it in HKD, and it was no problem. Again, buyer beware and be vigilant! :eek: Remember, it's not just a bad rate you have to worry about. For many credit cards, any charge in a foreign currency or at a foreign locale results in a charge of, often, 3%. In that case, the merchant has charged you 3% for the conversion and then your card will charge you another 3% for the charge outside the US. I intend to fight these attempts at every turn. These hustlers are like ants at a picnic and you have to keep swatting them away. |
Originally Posted by Mountain Trader
Remember, it's not just a bad rate you have to worry about. For many credit cards, any charge in a foreign currency or at a foreign locale results in a charge of, often, 3%. In that case, the merchant has charged you 3% for the conversion and then your card will charge you another 3% for the charge outside the US.
Even if the local merchant gives me a bad exchange rate it winds up costing me less than having it billed in shekels. Hence, whenever possible I ask for the charge to be in dollars. Unfortunately, under Israeli law the only ones who can bill me in dollars are hotels, travel agents, airlines, and the Duty Free shop at the airport. (Indeed, the airlines and the Duty Free shop have their prices set in dollars, so there is no exchange rate at all. I would only have to pay for one if I were to put the purchase on my Israeli credit card -- which would mean getting charged for exchanging dollars into shekels.) |
Originally Posted by Mountain Trader
I have read that this is done at the merchant's direction, allegedly after they have asked the customer which currency they want to be charged in. If that's true, then the merchant can re-run the charge in the local currency.
Of course I was afraid that I'd end up with multiple fees, one for each time the card was swiped (3 in all). As it turned out only the final charge appeared on the bill. I don't know about Amex, but Visa and Mastercard now call the fee a "foreign transaction fee" so it doesn't matter what currency the charge appears in, the fee is applied for all non-US transactions. |
Originally Posted by pdhenry
I don't know about Amex, but Visa and Mastercard now call the fee a "foreign transaction fee" so it doesn't matter what currency the charge appears in, the fee is applied for all non-US transactions. So I would gather if you charge in USD internationally you get 1% "fee", but if foreign currency it is the full 3% (or 2% if you have that) At least this is the impression I get from reading my MC T&C. Foreign currency purchases (note "purchases" only) --I just see x% after is conversion into USD |
I just used my Citi's Premier Pass Elite Master Card to pay for TGV train tickets on SNCF.fr and it was 216 Euros which came out to be only $275
comparing with xe.com's exchange rate: 216.00 EUR Euro = 274.634 USD United States Dollars I am very pleasantly surprised! Also i don't see anything about exchange rate or service charge on the unbilled activity |
Originally Posted by afang
I just used my Citi's Premier Pass Elite Master Card to pay for TGV train tickets on SNCF.fr and it was 216 Euros which came out to be only $275
comparing with xe.com's exchange rate: 216.00 EUR Euro = 274.634 USD United States Dollars I am very pleasantly surprised! Also i don't see anything about exchange rate or service charge on the unbilled activity |
Originally Posted by STAM4NICK
I think Mastercard/Visa charge 1% for foreign currency transactions anywhere AND/OR non US based USD transactions, while as the banks just charge their 1 or 2% (to make 2 or 3% total) on foreign currency purchase/transaction anywhere.
http://www.flyertalk.com/wiki/index....reign_Exchange For USD purchases abroad, I'm pretty sure Visa and MC now charge either 0.8% or 1.0%. I forget which charges which, and I don't know whether the card issuers add their extra 2% to such purchases or not. If you use a card like CapitalOne that "eats" the Visa/MC fees, however, and doesn't add any other fees of its own, you should be fine. AmEx does not charge a fee for USD purchases abroad, but charges 2% for all foreign currency purchases, and has been reputed to give bad underlying exchange rates (although that seems to have improved in the last couple years). |
Originally Posted by themicah
... If you use a card like CapitalOne that "eats" the Visa/MC fees, however, and doesn't add any other fees of its own, you should be fine. Are there any others like CapitalOne? How does CapitalOne "eat" the 1% fee, given that is already in the dollar amount that VISA/MC transmit to member banks? |
Originally Posted by ajnaro
Are there any others like CapitalOne? How does CapitalOne "eat" the 1% fee, given that is already in the dollar amount that VISA/MC transmit to member banks?
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Originally Posted by biggestbopper
...Remeber, for many years there was no such fee. My memory does not actually go back that far! In the eighties, when I was still using Diners Club outside of the US, I can remember thinking that 1% was a reasonable fee for the exchange and billing service. As far as I know, VISA/MC were also 1% at that time. The 1% fee was built into the exchange rate and was not explicitly noted in billing statements, but it was mentioned in the T&C's. Was foreign exchange ever really free? |
Originally Posted by ajnaro
Are there any others like CapitalOne? How does CapitalOne "eat" the 1% fee, given that is already in the dollar amount that VISA/MC transmit to member banks?
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