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elCheapoDeluxe Jan 24, 2005 4:46 pm


Originally Posted by Boraxo
Dishonesty award for 2004:

3rd Place: United, which no longer reserves awards seats on certain *A partners (i.e. Lufthansa) >90 days before travel. Used to be 330 days, the change will make it difficult if not impossible to obtain seats during peak travel periods to Europe and Asia. No advance notice whatsoever.

Not true. United's *A partners deserve the blame here.

HappyTrekker Jan 24, 2005 8:27 pm


Originally Posted by pinniped
Most honest is WN by far - it's a no-bull program. They are, of course, limited in scope and they have blackout dates, but the don't bury this information in fine print and there are no garbage fees. WN is able to present a straightforward product with no disinformation or doublespeak and make a profit. Love 'em or hate 'em: admit it - they are the most honest.

I do not consider any of the legacy airlines to be honest. They attempt to make money with deception, one-way flexibility (their flexibility), disinformation, fine print, garbage fees, frequently-changing parameters, and consumer unfriendly service. No surprise that they are all losing money, whereas WN makes a profit by taking the opposite approach.

I completely agree with pinniped here. I just signed up with WN this last year because they were the only ones offering direct flights between a city pair, and so far I'm very very satisfied with them. I do realize that this program is not for everyone; but for those of us who want/need to fly where WN flies, this program in outstanding in terms of operational efficiency.

BLI-Flyer Jan 25, 2005 1:42 pm


Originally Posted by Boraxo

4th Place: American, for adding a $500 RT "co-pay" for using miles for upgrade awards. This is a major program change which substantiallly devalues the miles and puts biz/first travel out of reach for many. To its credit, AA did provide a good 2 months notice before implementation.
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Just a note that the co-pay mentioned above is only on international upgrades, not on domestic upgrades.

pedersontb Jan 27, 2005 1:15 pm

AA posted shopping points for me with no prodding - it does take 30 to 60 days.


Originally Posted by adamak
My experience is that Delta is pretty honest in posting miles. Even if they missed it, you emailed them, and they will post it promptly. They will not pretend they've never ran the promo.

The dishonest award for me goes to AA & CO.
AA : always (and I mean 100% of the time) will not post any shopping points until I emailed them at least twice. They never do it automatically, and they'll never post even after they promised to.

CO : Even worse. I'm still fighting for a couple hundred miles from last Feb. I bought from same retailer twice in a month, but CO will NOT post the 2nd one. I guess it's not in their blood to check the order #. And they don't care.

And forget about the award. The award calendar shows availability, but when you click on it, it'll show completely different sets of awards.


Purpleeagl Jan 28, 2005 12:01 pm

I have found that most programs will credit flying fairly quickly, a day or two. I have also found that partners tend to be the ones that give any FFP issues on crediting of miles. Some times patience is warranted, but if I do not see a credit within four weeks I am going to call the partner then the FFP.

I have been happy with both US and AA for getting awards when I wanted them. Both have reps that will try to work out what you want when you want it. Not necessarily the most direct route, but they will get you there.

I am still suspicous with CO. You can get awards if you get the right rep on the phone, but many times they cannot get anything close to what you want, even with their many partners.

I am also one who refuses to fly WN at all due to two horror stories both with very poor endings. Maybe I am too high maintenance.

StSebastian Jan 29, 2005 1:31 pm

It's much smaller, but I'll say that DH (Independence Air) has a very straightforward one as well. One point per dollar spent on a ticket (there's a 2 points/$ promo right now), and 1500 points gets you a r/t in any available seat. It's basically the same as Southwest, but credits dollars instead of one-way trips.

Except for the aborted attempt to issue 0 EQM for cheap tickets, the US program has been pretty good to me. I only think once did I have to bug them about a promo not posting, and that was actually something I did wrong signing up for it. All of my flight miles and bonuses generally posted within two days, though I know others have had problems with them. I redeemed 11 award tickets for self and friends last year and didn't have problems with any of those (I did use the "rulebuster" option on a few because of the Sat night stay rule).

sunil Jan 29, 2005 5:03 pm

WN is the most honest in my books .. not that I fly them :)
CO Nonepass is the worst most deceptive program ever

wldtrvlr Jan 29, 2005 6:43 pm

I have used AA, UA, NW, CO, DL and US over the past year or two. NW by far for the most awards. Generally only one on the others, except maybe two on DL. I think they all tend to follow their rules, the only problem is knowing all the finer details of their rules. You can not read them anywhere, you call one agent and get one answer and call another one and get another. So I won't rate them on honesty, but I will rate them on Customer Friendliness and ease of earning/reedeming.

I think DL and NW take the cake on ease of earning. I have used 60,000 miles of award tickets (1 coach redeemed on NW and 1 F reedemed on DL) and have 25,000 left and never had flew a DL paid fare, nor did I ever have any points credited to them from other flights. ALL DL points came from AM EX, Dining for miles, car and/or hotel rental etc, but the lions share from the DL Am EX and Dash to the Gate type things. NW also runs many many promos which generally post as described. A few times I have had to call and they get it straightened out quickly.

I just started flying US last year, and they seem to either post and/or fix them very quickly. With 3 flights I have enough miles for a free ticket. I got a bump voucher also (which comes out of award availability) and it was very easy to use.

AA booked online for a friends trip, no problems.

UA, I flew it, my parents booked it, no problems I know of.

I love that NW does not charge any fees for booking up to almost departure (I think you can book up to 4 or maybe 6 hours before departure) on Award Tickets. HATE that DL and CO charge you up to a $75.00 adminstrative fee if you book 14 days or less. THAT could come very close to being dishonest, since it takes no more work to book an e-ticket for a flight 5 days or 1 day from now than it does to book one 30 days or more from now.

CO is always quick to say something like, oh, we have no standard availability how about EasyPass (or whatever they call it) for twice as many miles? That galls me!

AgtMulder Jan 30, 2005 1:23 pm

I respectfully nominate... HP.

<ducks>

Seriously though, all my flight credit has posted within 36-48 hours, never a problem, all bonuses due to flying posted appropriately within 3 days. Elite upgrades (as a lowly silver, then a gold) were plenty, and forthcoming.

It may be a bit no frills, but IMHO I believe it beats WN.

Just sayin'.

goingsomewhere Jan 30, 2005 1:31 pm

I don't need (or care) much for pampering. My honest programs are:

Airline:

WN - Punctual and the feeling that I'm not nickeled and dimed for everything, especially when the unexpected forces me to change plans at the last minute. Easy redemption.


Hotel:

PC - Given their numerous locations, generous points and liberal redemption, I have no complaints. Everywhere I go, there always seem to be one, two or even more to choose from...not much or no choice sometimes in case of other chains.

Hyatt - Easy to understand and follow program. Generous bonus points. FFN's. Only downside: there's not that many of them.

civicmon Jan 30, 2005 2:03 pm

Don't forget Alaska Air, tons of partners, tons of earning options and everything with them is very straightforward.

Snoopyo Jan 31, 2005 10:23 am

Airlines FF - WN but had one bad cattle experience with a problematic flight to LAS and not being informed properly.

Hotel FGP - Hyatt excellent program and very generous with FFN and good communication of major rule change with 6 months advance notice.

777 global mile hound Jan 31, 2005 11:22 am


Originally Posted by Snoopyo
Airlines FF - WN but had one bad cattle experience with a problematic flight to LAS and not being informed properly.

Hotel FGP - Hyatt excellent program and very generous with FFN and good communication of major rule change with 6 months advance notice.

Vote for them in the Freddies !


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