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Mylene Aug 14, 2004 1:26 am

Someone took my miles
 
One day I decided to use my miles for an award ticket, and I found out that an award ticket had been requested and used by someone bearing the same last name, first name but different location in different countries. The airline could contact the person who took my miles by the mistake of a travel agent and let her pay the ticket she had used. I got my miles back to my account.
But I am still not happy. Can I sue the airline ? Or can they compensate me with any free tickets ? If I take legal action, what will be the result ? Is this worth ?

magiciansampras Aug 14, 2004 1:48 am

I'm not sure what your legal rights are, but I always thought it was a little fishy that all you need to do to cash in miles (potentially worth thousands of dollars) was call up the airline, give them a mileage number and a name.

Mylene Aug 14, 2004 2:31 am

I sitll wonder with so many common names and the owners never aware of their accounts, someone who has the same name could request an award through an airline by probably getting your FFP numbers from a travel agent or airline staff pretending yourself is the account owner but can't recall your FFP number. I am not trying to cheat, but in reality as I had my experience I don't trust anybody.

detouring Aug 14, 2004 2:43 am


Originally Posted by Mylene
....
I got my miles back to my account. But I am still not happy. Can I sue the airline ? Or can they compensate me with any free tickets ? If I take legal action, what will be the result ? Is this worth ?

How were you harmed? What type of legal action would you take?

np Aug 14, 2004 11:40 am

compensation
 

Originally Posted by detouring
How were you harmed? What type of legal action would you take?

I agree, you really weren't harmed. However, the least the airline could do is compensate you for your time via some bonus miles added to your account.

sibley Aug 14, 2004 12:41 pm

You really weren't harmed, beyond the inconvenience, so I don't think legal action is appropriate. What I *would* ask for is, in writing, exactly what steps the company is taking to insure this doesn't happen again (to you or anyone else). They'll probably give you a song and dance about not releasing internal policies...but I would still ask.

weero Aug 14, 2004 12:57 pm

Don't we all have miles removed and re-credited from our accounts all the time?
I really don't see that the airline reacted unfair in any way - especially not
compared to the real hassle lounge and gate agents give us, when they
invent excuses for declining our requests.

freakflyer Aug 14, 2004 1:57 pm

Mileage Losses
 
Several carriers do require your PIN number to cash in your miles.

Given that the airline knew the travel agent here, what might have happened was that the agent called the airline and they just pulled the wrong frequent flyer number - not the fault of the traveler but sloppiness by the airline. At least you are now whole.

swaluvr Aug 14, 2004 3:16 pm

Similar problem 10 years ago with AA
 
Sorry to say that I'm not too surprised to hear this after what happened to me about 10 years ago.

I'd saved up enough AA miles to fly my family and my inlaws (5 tix, in all) from Cleveland to Hawaii. I called and made the reservation on the first day that the airline was selling tickets for the date we needed to fly. They held the reservation for an 7 additional days because the computer wouldn't give us return reservations until that time. I reconfirmed it all seven days later and as I recall, this was about 350 days before we would travel. I wasn't given seat assignments but was told to call 30 days before the trip and I could get them then. When I made that call, I was told that I had CANCELLED the reservation 5 months before--I HAD NOT! Shaking with rage, I got a supervisor on the phone and demanded to know the details. She tried to make it my problem, but after my persistence, she was able to tell me that a travel agent in NEW JERSEY had cancelled my reservation and then purchased the 5 seats. She implied that I had done so and that was when the fur began to fly. She said that the 5 of us should show up at the airport on the day we wanted to travel and that "maybe" we could get seats out of the 10, or so, "phantom" seats that are not released until 24 hrs. before the flight. I told her to give me the seats now, but she refused. I got nowhere until I called CSNBC and spoke to Steven Pollan's producer (he was a consumer reporter at the time). He called the airline and when they found out that he would put this problem on television, AA called me in just 2 hours and I had five reserved seats for that flight.

I have a VERY unique name, both first and last, so I have NO IDEA how this occurred--except for the possibility that the travel agent may have been able to access the manifest and saw that I had 5 reserved seats and that no money had been exchanged for them. "Taking" these seats would not have required any $ refund, so I would not have noticed it unless my AA account statement tipped me off. At that time, the airline was slow to credit accounts, so I hadn't seen any change. Although everything turned out just fine, it was very traumatic having this happen. Now, I use the computer to check accounts monthly!


I'm glad that things were straightened out for you. I don't think there is any legal recourse, but you could certainly appeal to customer service for some perk--extra miles, an upgrade, etc. Now, if it happens again, try the Conde Nast Travel magazine Ombudsman--they seem to get excellent results when travellers report problems.

shannon94188 Aug 14, 2004 4:41 pm

I had miles taken out of my account for a flight on 9/11/01 (flight ticketed the night before) from BOS-LAX - and I most assuredly was not the user of this flight (I'm based on the other coast!). I was pretty creeped out about this (discovered it a few days later when looking at my online account status while trying to reschedule a trip). AA customer support took a few days to get it sorted out, but eventually the miles were reinstated to my account. No "bonus" miles or anything of a courtesy was offered. I was just glad to get my miles back.

peachfront Aug 14, 2004 5:06 pm

In my state you can't sue unless you can show financial damage. So, no, you couldn't file suit here since your miles were returned. Since the rules differ for every state and country, you really don't know unless you ask a local attorney. That said, I don't believe that being "not happy" is cause for litigation, or we would all be in court all the time. A similar case would be: My husband wasn't happy when someone stole his credit card, and the credit card company chose not to prosecute, but since it was the credit card company and not us that was out the money, we had no grounds for a lawsuit just for being uneasy that his good name had been borrowed by a thief. I agree that it's creepy, but I think it happens to everyone sooner or later.



Originally Posted by Mylene
One day I decided to use my miles for an award ticket, and I found out that an award ticket had been requested and used by someone bearing the same last name, first name but different location in different countries. The airline could contact the person who took my miles by the mistake of a travel agent and let her pay the ticket she had used. I got my miles back to my account.
But I am still not happy. Can I sue the airline ? Or can they compensate me with any free tickets ? If I take legal action, what will be the result ? Is this worth ?


suzy1K Aug 14, 2004 6:24 pm

Well I think this is why UA makes you go into the airport (or one of their -RIP- ticket offices) to sign off that you are getting a ticket for someone else. If you can't go to the office, UA will mail the paper ticket to the mailing address on your account * If the person has the same last name as you, then you don't have to do it *. You will also get a confirmation receipt in the mail for all award tickets you redeem irregardless of who it's for. I even get them for my travels. I guess there are a few levels in place to help protect you -- or a couple of opportunities for red flags to be raised to get your attention.

So ostensibly a family member could scam a ticket from your account, but it might be easy enough to figure out why the traveler was from their ticket.

Extra thing I found out -- I was getting a ticket for my aunt who has a different last name, but I did not have time to sign off at the airport. UA let me designate my mom -- because she & I have the same last name -- to sign off for me on the ticket at another UA office.

seoulmanjr Aug 14, 2004 9:01 pm


Originally Posted by peachfront
In my state you can't sue unless you can show financial damage. So, no, you couldn't file suit here since your miles were returned. Since the rules differ for every state and country, you really don't know unless you ask a local attorney. That said, I don't believe that being "not happy" is cause for litigation, or we would all be in court all the time. A similar case would be: My husband wasn't happy when someone stole his credit card, and the credit card company chose not to prosecute, but since it was the credit card company and not us that was out the money, we had no grounds for a lawsuit just for being uneasy that his good name had been borrowed by a thief. I agree that it's creepy, but I think it happens to everyone sooner or later.

If the OP was unable to make the trip they wanted to ticket with said miles and had to pay for some more expensive ticket or something while all of this was being resolved, then I would see that as a financial loss (but I'm not sure a court would necessarily agree). Also, your husband's credit score could have been affected merely by virtue of the fact that the theft took place. Merely being the victum of fraud can, in fact, make you a riskier customer in the eyes of the credit agencies for having fallen victum to theft/fraud/etc. Again - a lowered credit rating could certainly be seen as having financial damages.

All that said, I think it would be ridiculous to **sue** over this since the situation was resolved and all of the miles were ultimately credited to the OP's account. I think it would be lumped in with all of the frivolous fishing for a nice payday that already runs too rampant in the US courts. OK - there was a problem, but they fixed it. Sometimes things don't run like clockwork because people and systems can be fallible. Unless this somehow really hurt you I think that a lawsuit would ridiculous. Just my .02

peace,
~Ben~

Jiffy Aug 15, 2004 8:51 am

I have another concern here. Not all of us are in the habbit of checking our FF account balances and reconciling as we do with our money accounts. May be we should be doing that more often.

Counsellor Aug 15, 2004 10:06 am

Welcome to FlyerTalk, swaluvr.

Interesting experience you had. I'm happy for you that it all turned out fine.

Did you chat with the folks who had your seats?


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