I like Randy, I think most people who know me know that. Like many of you, I've met Randy.

However, as Merry explained about my statement with regards to Lies>

Either Dan or Randy Lied to us. Since they each told us different things about the same subject. This I don't like, I think we deserved better.

And Doc, You're a friend and when we get together we always have fun. But, if you arent going to call "One person from Inside Flyer saying everuone registered was an invited and anothe telling us that only a few were selected" this a lie what would you call it? Clintonese?

It also seemed that we didnt hear from anyone at Inside Flyer until the firestorm brewed here at FT.

To me the reaction afterwards, or lack thereof, was worse than the chat session.
The chat session problem was largely poor planning and technical problems.

The aftermath was delay, misleading, and just palin insulting to one's intelligence.

Maybe someday we'll find out if Dan or Randy were straight with us?

Dan or Randy, either of you care to help answer that one?

Hey DOC,

You started this thread with a question.

What is your (clear) opinion?

Dorian



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"Either Dan or Randy Lied to us. Since they each told us different things about the same subject. This I don't like, I think we deserved better.

And Doc, You're a friend and when we get together we always have fun. But, if you arent going to call "One person from Inside Flyer saying everuone registered was an invited and anothe telling us that only a few were selected" this a lie what would you call it? Clintonese?

It also seemed that we didnt hear from anyone at Inside Flyer until the firestorm brewed here at FT.

To me the reaction afterwards, or lack thereof, was worse than the chat session.
The chat session problem was largely poor planning and technical problems."

Boomer- I essentially agree with what you're saying here, as I'd noted above by saying you'd (& others) raised interesting points.

Perhaps it bears repeating:

This was an unfortunate situation for ALL those involved.

Yet, a case of miscommunication, which is apparently what transpired, is not necessarily a lie. I do not think it was purposeful or done to achieve any unwarranted gain.

Randy, IMHO, could/should have initially made a statement either at the chat and or in the post chat buzz in respone to queries regarding his identity. Why he did not, I do not know! Perhaps he was, (and I do not as you know speak for him), extremely preoccupied on his end and did not even read the queries coming in!

A statement immediately following would have been the next best bet and would have enabled others such as myself to be more responsive to those who had asked me about the identity crisis!

Could their have been better and more timely communication within the FT administration ranks and also to we FT'ers? YES!

Is their a commercial aspect to the boards? SURELY!

FWIW, I too am/was very troubled by this and am concerned that it was NOT very "healthy" for the future of FT! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mad.gif

All I'm saying is, 1) let's please cut some slack and be forgiving here; 2)let's perhaps assume it was unfortunate MISCOMMUNICATION between Dan and Randy, as well as some further untimely MISCOMMUNICATION to we FTer's - as opposed to a premediatated plan to willfully deceive us or gain unrightfully on their part at our expense; 3) put it behind us with the understanding that this will NOT happen again; 4) Accept the good faith apologies that were already offered to us and go ahead in a positive manner- ALL the more wiser folks from it all! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Clintonese?

Well it's close perhaps, but I'd hope not! It's the House of Miles and not the White House! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Human beings make mistakes! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Having said all this, any further clarification would surely be most welcome insofar as I too am concerned, in that it may help to make us ALL more comfortable and help clear the air! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I'm just kinda' thankful that it was not me stuck up there in the "muck" of this situation. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

Would I have handled it differently? YES, I would surely think so!

Yet I'm willing, however, to forgive and forget! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Hoping this clarifies matters-

Mark

Let's all cash in some miles, get a free plane ticket, fly away and get a life. How many days ago was the chat? And you guys are still beating it to death.

Here, here...get a LIFE!

I have got a life...a great one! I travel the world...am head of my own company so can set my own schedule. People trust my opinion in business so am able to consult regularly and finally I am healthy and happy...

Anything else I should be looking for you "get-a-lifers"?

Dorian



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Ozstamps: I don't disagree with anything you say above. I am sure Randy is a very nice man and I am sure he has every right to be proud of his business.

My point was purely to do with the way his company constantly refers to his as the "guru". It may be a European thing, but this just wants to make me chuck - if you are an expert in your field, fine, share your knowledge, make money from your knowledge and be pround of your knowledge, but to go round telling everybody 'I am the expert in this field' is very brash.

I could go on and on, but much of this I have said before, and besides I am busy trying to 'get a life' - whatever the hell that phrase means (but I guess I will not see those words again on this thread, as the 'get a lifers' will not read any more on this thread as they have got a life and I have not got a life) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

What an unfortunate affair the chat was, and as far as I am concerned was is the important word here. We have all enjoyed and benefited from this forum let's let it go at that and put this in perspective.

It is Sunday and also today some of us will go to our church for World Wide Communion. When Jesus met up with the woman being stoned he encouraged "those without sin to cast the first stone". We have all made errors and would not like those errors to be brought up over and over .... let it go people!

I HAVE let this go....from the 1st second I have 'let this go'. Man....in the scope of the world I live in this is SO irrelevant. What I (yes, me) enjoy is spirited discussion....not bashing or some love fest like other threads which will go unnamed...I just like people 'coming clean'...not hiding behind their typing!

Merry, your 2nd paragraph killed me! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Dorian



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I've been asked if any miles/points have been credited for attending and providing answers to questions at the chat. Not so far! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Anyone else receive anything yet?


BTW- As predicted, FWIW, there was a very fine DL live chat tonight, conducted by Randy and using the original handle "Randy" and it went off without a hitch! Happily http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Some Randy backed initiatives regarding the DL changes and how to possibly deal with them to follow and I think it's important for FF's of ALL carriers to be wary of future changes that will likely adversely affect your overall FF experience!

So keep your eyes open! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

[This message has been edited by doc (edited 10-05-2000).]

"I've been asked if any miles/points have been credited for attending and providing answers to questions at the chat. Not so far!

Anyone else receive anything yet?"


Nothing yet, by me at least! That is, yet! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Anybody? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I havn't received any thing yet form that chat.

Did Dorian "get his life" yet? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

No point/miles here yet. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

Jay

I suspect we'd have more luck Waiting for Godot, than waiting for anything from that chat.