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JNelson113 May 25, 2004 7:29 am

what is the best Mastercard for points?
 
With the Hyatt stay two nights, get one free promotion, I need a mastercard to take advantage. Can anyone make a recommendation? I primarily accrue miles in United, Continental, and Starwood.

Thanks!

gleff May 25, 2004 7:52 am

Check out the no-fee Amtrak Mastercard.

Not much of a signup bonus, only 500 points, but it's free (good if this isn't going to be your primary card) and Amtrak points convert in 5000 point blocks 1:1 into Continental, United, and Midwest Airlines. Oh, and the points also convert 1:2 into Hilton.

pgary May 25, 2004 4:12 pm


Originally Posted by gleff
Check out the no-fee Amtrak Mastercard.

Not much of a signup bonus, only 500 points, but it's free (good if this isn't going to be your primary card) and Amtrak points convert in 5000 point blocks 1:1 into Continental, United, and Midwest Airlines. Oh, and the points also convert 1:2 into Hilton.

Also, since this card is issued by MBNA, the usual extra 2% rip off foreign currency conversion fee is not applied. This is the only card I use for travel outside the U.S.

Stefan Daystrom May 25, 2004 9:47 pm


Originally Posted by JNelson113
With the Hyatt stay two nights, get one free promotion, I need a mastercard to take advantage. Can anyone make a recommendation? I primarily accrue miles in United, Continental, and Starwood.

Thanks!

With the Chase Rewards Card / Perfect Card (they keep renaming it but otherwise it stays about the same), which is an MC, you get a 6% rebate on all gas purchases the first 3 months, 3% rebote on all gas purchases thereafter, 1% rebate on everything else, and no annual fee as long as you make at least 9 purchases (any amount) per year. If you use this card for just MasterCard promos like Hyatt's and otherwise just for all your gas purchases, you're likely to get more net from it than from any points card I can think of (given the programs you prefer to accrue in).

The MBNA Amtrak card has thresholds for doing transfers that you need to be aware of, and the transfer opportunities have changed there in the past. You don't want to accumulate a bunch there and then find out it's either not enough for a transfer or that your preferred transfer destination is no longer available, especially if you have no use for actual Amtrak rewards. Whereas with the Chase rebate, it's savings on your credit card bill every month (the rebate you earn one month applies to your total bill the next month), with no thresholds to worry about.

monitor May 25, 2004 10:22 pm

I have something called the Chase Freedom Mastercard which is similar to the one described by Stefan Daystrom except that it is an ongoing 5% for gasoline purchases and 1% for all others. There is no fee, but the nine purchase per year requirement is effective. Since I mostly use it for gas and
Hyatt (domestic) stays during the FFN promotions, I easily get the nine and the cashback feature beats any miles deal all to death. I have spent about $1000 this year and already received about $35 in cash rebated. $35 is worth at least 2000 miles in most programs (but maybe 10,000 OnePass miles :D ).

PaulMSN May 26, 2004 8:57 am

So does anyone know where/how to get the Chase Freedom Mastercard? I get lots of CC offers in the mail, but i don't remember seeing this one. Thanks.

DH May 26, 2004 11:18 am

I'm not sure for now but once Diners Club card joins the MasterCard/re-branded(?), it will the best MasterCard for the points. :)

miizzles May 26, 2004 11:25 am

Chase no longer offers the Freedom card to new applicants. It's been rebranded as the PerfectCard as described by Stefan.

Interestingly, I received an app in the mail for the PerfectCard with no annual fee (i.e. you are not required to use it 9 timer per year).

yan19454 May 26, 2004 2:47 pm

I just called to have my perfect card. The reps talked me if you do not use that more than 9 times after second year, It will need $19.99 annual fee. Thanks.

pinniped May 26, 2004 3:11 pm

Unless you want to cycle through some airline/hotel Mastercard signup bonuses, the Chase Perfectcard is the best one for small-time use. It appears to be a legit 1% - i.e., the 1% is credited right back to your next statement. (As opposed to invested for the bank for six months or a year, and then given to you in a check or something like that.)

wanaflyforless May 27, 2004 9:36 pm


Originally Posted by Stefan Daystrom
you're likely to get more net from it than from any points card I can think of (given the programs you prefer to accrue in).

Depends what other souces of miles he has into these accounts. Also, value of miles depends on travel needs - for many travellers, they are worth 1 cent or less - other like me always redeem them for needed expensive tickets. Totally depends on travel needs.

Stefan Daystrom May 29, 2004 1:04 pm


Originally Posted by wanaflyforless
Depends what other souces of miles he has into these accounts. Also, value of miles depends on travel needs - for many travellers, they are worth 1 cent or less - other like me always redeem them for needed expensive tickets. Totally depends on travel needs.

In case you didn't notice, the poster of the original question (whom I was replying to) was specifically looking for a MasterCard (to use mostly for MC-specific promos), but all the programs he actively particpates in currently only partner with either Visa or Amex. If that weren't his case, my recommendation might be completely different (for example, a 1 mile/$2 no-annual-fee card for one of those FF programs).

Please explain to me how needing expensive tickets makes it worthwhile to subject yourself to a 90% devaluation by going through a points-transfer service or how earning a few hundred points a year on a card which has a 5000-point transfer threshold? (Because those seem to be the main point/mile-earning options he has right now with MasterCard relative to the FF programs he prefers.)

outoftown May 29, 2004 2:58 pm

AT&T Universal MC
 
For someone looking for a MasterCard, this looks like the best deal, for the next year anyhow. An ad I saw in the Parade section of the Sunday paper a few weeks ago...

AT&T Universal MasterCard

0% on Balance transfers until March 1, 2005

Full 5% cash back on purchases made at supermarkets, drugstores and gas stations until 6/1/05, full 1% cash back on all other purchases up to a maximum of $300 annually

No annual fee, no balance transfer fees

Limited time offer, must apply by 7/15/04, ph 1-800-506-8737

gleff May 30, 2004 6:23 am


Originally Posted by Stefan Daystrom
or how earning a few hundred points a year on a card which has a 5000-point transfer threshold?

Well, 5000 Amtrak points are much easier to reach than perhaps you realize.

1) The card comes with a 500 point signup bonus
2) There's an offer for 1000 miles for updating promo/selecting estatements

So that's 1500 points already.

Say the cardholder only points $1000 on the card in 12 months.

They still need 2500 points in order to transfer out. But that's seriously easy - credit hotel stays @ 500 points each (Hilton double dip, Starwood, Loews & OMNI are currently 1000 pts/stay), 500 points for a Hertz rental, 5 pts per dollar spent at the Guest Rewards mall, flower club pts, etc.

pinniped May 30, 2004 8:25 am


Originally Posted by outoftown
For someone looking for a MasterCard, this looks like the best deal, for the next year anyhow. An ad I saw in the Parade section of the Sunday paper a few weeks ago...

AT&T Universal MasterCard

0% on Balance transfers until March 1, 2005

Full 5% cash back on purchases made at supermarkets, drugstores and gas stations until 6/1/05, full 1% cash back on all other purchases up to a maximum of $300 annually

No annual fee, no balance transfer fees

Limited time offer, must apply by 7/15/04, ph 1-800-506-8737

I did not see that ad, but I recall an older version of that card offering a delayed-1% rebate.

You spend the money now, we give you a rebate once a year.

That only approaches a real one-percent rebate for the spending that takes place at the tail end of the "year".

But moreso that the (admittedly small) investment loss on that money, I just don't like the idea that I'm married to a card for any period of time waiting for an award. I don't trust banks to do anything correctly, especially if they are allowed time to think about it. That's why I like SPG Amex and the next-statement-rebaters like PerfectCard. If I decide I want out of that card, it only takes me a month or two to fully part ways with all of my rewards.


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